This paranoia about the media reporting in any way on JC is all getting a bit cultish. Very odd. Let’s have a full and frank discussion of the new poltiics of 1973. The JC charabanc needs more scrutiny, not less.
Nah, you’re just not used to it or haven’t adapted to the times.
The media isn’t just your old pals anymore. It isn’t just established press publications holding governments or each other to account. The public doesn’t trust mainstream media, and that’s just fine. It has its own.
So that being the case, why on earth are you surprised to see people on social media attacking the traditional media? Call it a cult if you want, but I’ve seen cultish up close and personal, and this is fuck all like it. This is batting back obvious shit, pointing out obvious contradictions and making mainstream media look like the tool of the establishment it fucking is.
What needs challenging above all is the conceit that the Labour selectorate has put to rights the evil electorate’s decision just a few weeks ago to elect a majority Tory government for the first time in more than two decades.
I see that Corbyn is likely to accept the Privy Council invitation. Given that he is a staunch republican, how will he reconcile having to take the Privy council oath with his views.
You do swear by Almighty God to be a true and faithful Servant unto the Queen’s Majesty, as one of Her Majesty’s Privy Council. You will not know or understand of any manner of thing to be attempted, done, or spoken against Her Majesty’s Person, Honour, Crown, or Dignity Royal, but you will lett and withstand the same to the uttermost of your Power, and either cause it to be revealed to Her Majesty Herself, or to such of Her Privy Council as shall advertise Her Majesty of the same. You will, in all things to be moved, treated, and debated in Council, faithfully and truly declare your Mind and Opinion, according to your Heart and Conscience; and will keep secret all Matters committed and revealed unto you, or that shall be treated of secretly in Council. And if any of the said Treaties or Counsels shall touch any of the Counsellors, you will not reveal it unto him, but will keep the same until such time as, by the Consent of Her Majesty, or of the Council, Publication shall be made thereof. You will to your uttermost bear Faith and Allegiance unto the Queen’s Majesty; and will assist and defend all Jurisdictions, Pre-eminences, and Authorities, granted to Her Majesty, and annexed to the Crown by Acts of Parliament, or otherwise, against all Foreign Princes, Persons, Prelates, States, or Potentates. And generally in all things you will do as a faithful and true Servant ought to do to Her Majesty. So help you God
Where do you get this stuff from? Where have I said the media has ever been “my old pals” (whatever that means)? Where have I suggested that new media (in which I largely work now) has somehow eluded me? And I thought I said the OPPOSITE of “surprise” at the gormless squeals of Corbynites on new media. To repeat - that’s why you take on the old media…because so much of it is in or gets taken up in the new media. Plus, it’s a way (not the only way, but still an important one) of talking to people - you know, actually communicating to the unpersuaded instead of mumbling past inglorious protest speeches into your shoes.
I’m trying to help here. Pointing out his uselessness is only going to help you cultists, surely. Take it or leave it - and either way, it’s hardly been an edifying start. Certainly the worst I’ve ever seen from a major party leader, and I’d include IDS in that list of better (albeit only marginally). Foot was light years ahead of Corbyn: like the Premier League vs the Sunday afternoon rec team.
While it’s entertaining to witness his decline and fall, my concern is that the damage he’s done and doing to the labour movement will be far more extensive than two parliaments - a whole decade - could ever sort out.
Interesting, though, isn’t it, that the tax credits and other remnants of the welfare system he professes to support were put there in the first place by the evil, scum, “Tory-lites”. It wouldn’t be so bad if he had a decent shadow chancellor standing by him, but where doyou even begin with a pointless little thug (with an interesting sense of humour in which he fantasises publicly about violence against women).
While your logic, reasoning, and patience is admirable, Furball, I think it’s fair to accept that it’s been a long hard road for our socialist friends, and this is their moment in the sun. It probably won’t last long, and it likely will never happen again. So while the moment’s here, I don’t think we should begrudge them the glee and thrill of celebrating every breath Corbyn takes. And in doing so, we should have patience when in the excitement they put words into your mouth and claim victories where there are none.
Where do you get this stuff from? Where have I said the media has ever been “my old pals” (whatever that means)?
You haven’t, but you don’t seem to have an inkling of how social media works. You’re describing legitimate social media comment ( that appears on almost every other issue of note ) as cultist, probably because it applies to Corbyn.
Where have I suggested that new media (in which I largely work now) has somehow eluded me?
And you’re being paid for this, despite not seeming to have a handle on how it works?
And I thought I said the OPPOSITE of “surprise” at the gormless squeals of Corbynites on new media. To repeat - that’s why you take on the old media…because so much of it is in or gets taken up in the new media. Plus, it’s a way (not the only way, but still an important one) of talking to people - you know, actually communicating to the unpersuaded instead of mumbling past inglorious protest speeches into your shoes.
I’m trying to help here. Pointing out his uselessness is only going to help you cultists, surely. Take it or leave it - and either way, it’s hardly been an edifying start. Certainly the worst I’ve ever seen from a major party leader, and I’d include IDS in that list of better (albeit only marginally). Foot was light years ahead of Corbyn: like the Premier League vs the Sunday afternoon rec team.
What a load of cock. Corbyn’s just made history three times in five days, and you’re comparing him with IDS and Michael Foot.
Change the fucking record, mush. Go out onto that new media you claim to work with. You may just learn something.
I suppose Corbyn will need his cultists all the more as he sinks into the mire, so do keep it up. The tragedy is he’s dragging the Labour party down with him.
You still haven’t said how lovingly you support his chancellor - you know, the one who wants to “assassinate” Thatcher and quotes approvingly the suggestion that Esther McVay should be “lynched”.
That Corbyn thinks it’s ok to appoint this thug says it all.
Elected by a huge popular mandate, rolling back 20 years of adoption of the neo-liberal credentials, after being set at 200/1 by the bookies.
First time ever, cabinet is more than 50% female.
First crowd sourced PMQs.
I suppose Corbyn will need his cultists all the more as he sinks into the mire, so do keep it up. The tragedy is he’s dragging the Labour party down with him.
You still haven’t said how lovingly you support his chancellor - you know, the one who wants to “assassinate” Thatcher and quotes approvingly the suggestion that Esther McVay should be “lynched”.
That Corbyn thinks it’s ok to appoint this thug says it all.
I’ve already commented on McDonnell. However, given that I did so on new media, I am entirely unsurprised it went over your head.
Marie from Putney, one of the people who asked the PM a question this week.
“I wasn’t a member of any political party until Jeremy announced the fact that he was going for the leadership and it looked like he was going to win. And it was at that point that I signed up because I said: here’s a real person … I just felt compelled,” she said.
Marie, a regular LBC caller, said she was impressed with Corbyn’s first prime minister’s questions. “I liked the way he looked at him over the top of his glasses – I thought that worked very well and it was very calm,” she said.
“The prime minister has to change his way of doing things to Jeremy Corbyn’s way. Surely that’s a massive mark up for Corbyn to begin with.
“The frontbench of the Conservative party did not look happy bunnies today – they looked as if they’d just been told that they were for the pop. They really didn’t look happy at all and that’s good. I hope that continues every single week.”
I’m trying to, bletcherino, and FWIW, I just edited a post to make it less nasty.
I think I was just knocked for six by the liberally applied, inexplicable and somewhat Orwellian description of the status quo as a “one party state” or the description of a quarter of a million people in a popular movement as cultists.
Neither really reconciles itself with reality, for me. I’d actually argue with seen the death of the one party state, if that party happens to be the neo-liberal party (which they all are).
If Furball needs to meet some cultists, that can be arranged. I know plenty of people that are always too happy to guide lost souls on the meaning of life (in exchange for all familial and friendly ties, outside of the church - and 10% of his income).
Keep debating please, but let’s focus on each other’s views and not each other.

I think I was just knocked for six by the liberally applied, inexplicable and somewhat Orwellian description of the status quo as a “one party state” or the description of a quarter of a million people in a popular movement as cultists.
There’s 7 million Mormons in the US, and I’d describe that as cultist.
Which Middle Eastern jail would you like to spend your time in after your trial at the Hague? You were the envoy for peace, after all. We don’t want you going anywhere you’re unwelcome.
