The Tories are in charge. Who knows what the retirement age will be by then?
FECKLESS OCTOGENARIAN FREELOADERS FUCK ECONOMY
Daily Mail headline of future*
*probably
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âLazy Old Bastards Must Dieâ: much more likely
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Blimey. Even Kendallâs defeat speech had more humility than that. If Iâm not mistaken, youâre on record saying that Corbyn wouldnât win. He did, meaning at the very least, you failed to gauge the correct mood of the Labour Party.
Given Corbynâs first preference landslide, and the chasm between your predictions and reality, how confident are you now in your 2020 predictions?
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Originally posted by @Furball
Sadly, I donât think you have any grounds for even that guarded optimism, Lou.
Itâs my âalways look on the bright side of lifeâ self defence mechanism kicking in, Furball. Beneath the surface Iâm very depressed by developments over the past month and what it will mean for the future. Dangerous ground the Labour Party are treading on, and I canât help but feel it strange none on here even recognise that risk (even if they donât believe in the predicted negative outcome). Listening to Corbyn patting the Unions on the back summed it all up for me.
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Having seen what unions do for their members, I donât blame Corbyn for sticking up for them. They do great things for their people all the time, and Corbyn is right to back them.
Left unchecked, workers will be in a position where they cannot strike, and letâs not fall for the old cock and bull story, that itâs always about pay (even though pay is crap for many). Itâs often for health and safety, not having enough people or budget to safely do the job. In those circumstances, those people are standing up for everyone.
Unions vs bosses = both sides always trying to take the piss. Known as negotiation in other circles.
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Glad to see that the official anthem of the new Labour Party may be re-released
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Looks a little too much like Harold Shipman for me but Iâm willing to give the guy a chance.
The big question for me is: Will he be as much of a fucking, lying, shitbag, cluless anus hole as the rest of the politicians?
Only 10% of MPs wanted this result - that is some stat.
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Theyâll need to work hard to ingratiate themselves with the 60% of the electorate that rejected every thing they stand for. Kendall, the apparent face of modernisation, got 4.5% of the vote. Corbyn had three times more first preference votes than his nearest rival.
Corbyn is apparently not interested in deselecting naughty MPs (how relative that term is!), but you can pretty much guarantee itâll be a conference motion if those opposed try shenanigans in between now and Brighton.
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As a Conservative I should be happy after this result. Iâm really, really not.
This is the end of two party politics in this country, and the end of anyone from the left having a meaningful opinion.
We are now relying on the Tory backbenchers to temper how far to the right the Conservative policies will go. That should scare everyone. You lefties need to hope to God that Boris is the next leader of the Tory party, because if May gets in you will realise what an appalling decision your âlets change politicsâ vote was.
This is Russell Brand politics. And Russell Brand is a berk.
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
As a Conservative I should be happy after this result. Iâm really, really not.
This is the end of two party politics in this country, and the end of anyone from the left having a meaningful opinion.
Nonsense. Itâs actually the resumption of two party politics. If not, I think you need to justify that statement.
We are now relying on the Tory backbenchers to temper how far to the right the Conservative policies will go.
Says who? I donât think you realised what happened yesterday. Thereâs going to be an actual opposition that will oppose the vast majority of stuff that the government will propose, and not just in a weâll-moan-about-it-but-canât-suggest-an-alternative way. The canards on benefits will be roundly met with proper counterarguments, something that Labour should have been doing from the start.
That should scare everyone. You lefties need to hope to God that Boris is the next leader of the Tory party, because if May gets in you will realise what an appalling decision your âlets change politicsâ vote was.
This is Russell Brand politics. And Russell Brand is a berk.
This is a post without any justification. And posts without any justification make the author look like a berk 
Love ya, Cherts 
Labour will now be an irrelevance in politics. The point of two party politics is that both parties have to be electable. Labour now arenât. I realise you think this is a victory for all those who want real change in the world, but actually itâs exactly the opposite.
When the Tories get in again at the next election, and Labour lose enough seats that the Tories can pass any law they want without opposition, the blood will be on the YOUR hands for helping to create an unelectable second party.
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Labour will now be an irrelevance in politics. The point of two party politics is that both parties have to be electable. Labour now arenât. I realise you think this is a victory for all those who want real change in the world, but actually itâs exactly the opposite.
âThis is a solid statement that something will happen. This is where I should be justifying my first sentence, but instead, Iâm going to make another wild statement without justification.â
When the Tories get in again at the next election, and Labour lose enough seats that the Tories can pass any law they want without opposition, the blood will be on the YOUR hands for helping to create an unelectable second party.
âIf/when something bad happens because a nasty party gets in, then its your fault for voting for the people that opposed them.â
I think Corbyn will be fine. Challenging shallow and/or unsubstantiated viewpoints ainât hard. You just have to want to do it.
As the article states - these are MPs elected by their constituents on a very different mandate.
Of course Corybn isnât interested in deselecting MPs who didnât support him - heâd have no party left.
Pap, I get youâre on a wave of euphoria, and this is likely very amusing for you (letâs sock it to the Blairites!), but these are real challenges for Corbyn. Heâs undoubtedly going to need to compromise on some of his more âout thereâ policies. Saying âtheyâll need to work hard to ingratiate themselvesâ just doesnât cut it.
Hmmm, I see youâre still a little giddy from yesterday. The problem with justifying statements that canât be proved for four and a half years is exactly that, it isnât happening for a long time.
Surely part of you must be thinking that the Labour Party will do worse in the next election than in this one? It is a very real possibility and a scenario I think you should seriously consider. And if this happens, then what? The experiment has failed, and Socialism gets consigned to the scrapheap forever? I actually feel like everyoneâs got caught up in a whirlwind of optimism without really thinking of the magnitude of bringing in someone like this is. It took 17 years for Labour to get back into Downing Street after Foot. It could be longer than that now.
I qualified that statement, so letâs not pretend that Iâve dropped a cryptic one-liner and left you to decipher the rest. I think the bigger challenge is actually going to be for the New Labour lot. Yesterdayâs result showed how reviled most of them are. Every attempt at intervention they tried failed spectacularly, providing Corbyn with more support.
So yeah, the MPs that donât support him have a choice. Keep telling the 60% of the Labour Party theyâre wrong at the risk of being bounced by a membership that is sick to fucking death of being patronised.
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Coxford_lou
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Coxford_lou
Only 10% of MPs wanted this result - that is some stat.
Theyâll need to work hard to ingratiate themselves with the 60% of the electorate that rejected every thing they stand for. Kendall, the apparent face of modernisation, got 4.5% of the vote. Corbyn had three times more first preference votes than his nearest rival.
Corbyn is apparently not interested in deselecting naughty MPs (how relative that term is!), but you can pretty much guarantee itâll be a conference motion if those opposed try shenanigans in between now and Brighton.
As the article states - these are MPs elected by their constituents on a very different mandate.
Of course Corybn isnât interested in deselecting MPs who didnât support him - heâd have no party left.
Pap, I get youâre on a wave of euphoria, and this is likely very amusing for you (letâs sock it to the Blairites!), but these are real challenges for Corbyn. Heâs undoubtedly going to need to compromise on some of his more âout thereâ policies. Saying âtheyâll need to work hard to ingratiate themselvesâ just doesnât cut it.
I qualified that statement, so letâs not pretend that Iâve dropped a cryptic one-liner and left you to decipher the rest. I think the bigger challenge is actually going to be for the New Labour lot. Yesterdayâs result showed how reviled most of them are. Every attempt at intervention they tried failed spectacularly, providing Corbyn with more support.
So yeah, the MPs that donât support him have a choice. Keep telling the 60% of the Labour Party theyâre wrong at the risk of being bounced by a membership that is sick to fucking death of being patronised.
Sorry Pap, I have zero understanding of what you mean by that. Youâre overthinking me. I quoted you because I understand exactly what you mean. And your tone is of someone who is enjoying the chance to get back at Blairites. Fair enough. Iâd be the same if this was against Tories.
My point was, this is a more complex situation than saying - weâve won, now youâve got to do what we say. The Nato example, as quoted in the article, is a good example of that. And to be honest, I doubt Corbyn is that kind of leader anyway.
Originally posted by @Coxford_lou
Sorry Pap, I have zero understanding of what you mean by that. Youâre overthinking me. I quoted you because I understand exactly what you mean. And your tone is of someone who is enjoying the chance to get back at Blairites. Fair enough. Iâd be the same if this was against Tories.
My point was, this is a more complex situation than saying - weâve won, now youâve got to do what we say. The Nato example, as quoted in the article, is a good example of that. And to be honest, I doubt Corbyn is that kind of leader anyway.
Well, okay Lou - NATO is obviously a huge concern for you. Make a case for it. Beyond allowing the US to remain on European soil in perpetuity, and allowing them to become gatekeeper to Russia, what purpose does it serve now?
You misunderstand me, Pap. Itâs not the personal concerns I have about Corbyn that Iâm referencing here. Itâs the intricacies of the challenge - for Corbyn and for the Labour Party that Iâm intrigued with. The article put quite clearly, some of the challenges Corbyn will face (including, not disappointing his own supporters, which I can see will be a beast it its own right). His NATO policy is just one example of that challenge. Iâm taking a more pessimistic view than you, but that doesnât stop me from finding it interesting.
If I wanted to start a debate about NATO, Iâd start a thread on it. I very rarely need prompting.
For FurballâŚ
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