Koeman at Finch Farm with his agent?

Wealthy owner, pumping the cash in while he can now FFP is dead in the water.

Any Saints fan who moans about that is being somewhat hypocritical after the name calling we got in L1 for buying the likes of SRL & getting Pardew in.

Point is development wise they are 7 years behind us and have a crap old ground, where we spunked cash on Staplewood they have to find then spunk cash on a Stadium.

In the big scheme of things, we’ve seen how Randy Learner baulked at the need to invest 200 million to get to the edge of CL qualification, we got there by a mix of the investment from ML and the cash from player sales and now have the machinery in place to keep producing players managers and money.

Everton are going down the “hire a celeb” route, the BEST managerial siging last year was LCFC picking the wash out. Other celebrity managers achieved sod all last season. They’ll go after big name players as well, we’ll just go find another Mane or two. Everton will NEVER be able to grow organically, because they ALWAYS have that 2nd team in Liverpool chip on their shoulder.

The investor will eventually get bored or burnt Liverpool, Villa, Glazers even Kronke at Arsenal reached a point where they STOPPED splashing the cash.

Good luck to him. I would go, and for that money so should he. Get a 4 year contract and he never needs to work again with 24 mil in the bank. That’s the same money that Morgan is on at Utd and we wished him well.

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It might be all good being able to take a ‘moral high ground’ perspective n this DP, but the view we end up with will most likely be that from the ivory tower. Clubs need to get better and improve each year to stand still… failure to do results in an Aston Villa - stagnation followed by dwindling gates, indifference and relegation…That might sound all doom and gloom, but its a sad fact that without a clear sense of purpose and direction, there is a simple way down.

I am not sure how our annual slaes and frequent manager changes afford us a ‘clear sense of purpose and direction’ - and I will say again, what has changed from a few years back when such frequent changes caused so much mistrust and hatred for the board despite protestations that there was fuck all they could do about it?

Gay Highland Saint

Originally posted by @areloa-grandee

It might be all good being able to take a ‘moral high ground’ perspective n this DP, but the view we end up with will most likely be that from the ivory tower. Clubs need to get better and improve each year to stand still… failure to do results in an Aston Villa - stagnation followed by dwindling gates, indifference and relegation…That might sound all doom and gloom, but its a sad fact that without a clear sense of purpose and direction, there is a simple way down.

I am not sure how our annual slaes and frequent manager changes afford us a ‘clear sense of purpose and direction’ - and I will say again, what has changed from a few years back when such frequent changes caused so much mistrust and hatred for the board despite protestations that there was fuck all they could do about it?

Gay Highland Saint

I think we’ve known what our purpose has been for years. Despite the success that Ron brought us, you could argue that one of the pillars of what we call success, the development of young players to the first team, has been compromised in chasing that. This was supposed to be the year that Calum Slattery broke through, and yet, we’ve relied mostly on signings.

I can understand that, and I support it. Blooding young players has always been a part of my Southampton FC experience. However, there have been rumours that Koeman isn’t as keen, and if that’s close to being true, then we had a long term problem with RK anyway.

I know we get attached to these people, particularly when they go and say stupid things like “I’ll see out my contract” or “I’d bite your hand off to finish my career here”, but the reality is that almost everyone has their price.

RK’s move seems very cynical and just about the cash, but as I’ve said before, football in Liverpool is an entirely different proposition to how the sport is perceived and supported locally. As someone that has made the move for a lot less cash, I’m the last person to be criticising the move between those two cities. It’s also a bigger gamble for him than it is for us.

That cash ain’t coming for free, and whereas he’d have probably been fine here with anything over 10th, there will be huge expectation tied to both his salary and the results on the pitch. This is really where structure comes into place, as anyone who goes to work will know.

Not blowing my own trumpet, but I’m pretty good at what I do, yet I’ve worked for places that have been so badly run that I’ve felt shit at what I did in those places. RK is no doubt good at what he does. The question is are Everton as good at providing the environment for success that Southampton does? On recent evidence, you’d need to say no. At best, they’ve been up and down, tending to have a good season (for them) followed by a bad one.

The money changes all of that, of course. Comparisons with Man City are valid, but not the City that exists now, more the profligate upstart that we remember from years back. That’s what he’s walking into, and as I recall, clubs in that situation are never overburdend with patience,

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Fuck him. Fat ginger cunt. Stick your fucking mayo and chips up your fucking arse. Cunt.

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In a way I think that if Ron won’t commit to us then this is the best situation. We only got 2 million for Poch so 6 million is brilliant. As Pap says, structure is key and I don’t really see Everton as having that, so Ron will be juggling a lot of competing pressures without the right sort of support. We’re in the Europa league at least until Christmas next season, so any new manager is going to have to rely on youth players to some degree which should mean they are more aligned with the club’s long term vision. Anyway, at least this summer I have Papsweb to read, a much more pleasant place to meltdown than TSW.

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Odd that you should say that. I’ve just chucked this out on Twitter.

Originally posted by pap

Despite the success that Ron brought us, you could argue that one of the pillars of what we call success, the development of young players to the first team, has been compromised in chasing that. This was supposed to be the year that Calum Slattery broke through, and yet, we’ve relied mostly on signings.

I can understand that, and I support it. Blooding young players has always been a part of my Southampton FC experience. However, there have been rumours that Koeman isn’t as keen, and if that’s close to being true, then we had a long term problem with RK anyway.

I agree pap.

I feel that Ron has compromised a number of the tenets of the Southampton way.

Youth, as you’ve outlined above, is one of them, but so is our black box scouting system.

Martina, Clasie and VvD were probably not flagged by our analysts, and they’re Dutch. Add into that Tadic and Pelle from the Dutch league and you can see the influence Ron has had.

They’ve all worked out to a greater or lesser extent, but it does concern me that we’ve compromised some principles to accommodate Ron. Given Osvaldo, Ramirez and Juanmi perhaps it’s better that we’ve allowed a manager to influence signings so heavily, but they are called principles for a reason.

I also agree with Gay when he says that we will at some point run out of luck.

Our club structure and recruitment policy will ensure that we have the best chance of integrating a new manager when the time comes. But humans aren’t part of the system and a wrong step can lead to problems.

Interesting times.

I can see Martina as an unknown in our scouting system. I am not so sure that we’d never have looked at the other two, especially given our history of buying Celtic’s best player. Tadic & Mané were not unknowns - they were both fucking stat monsters in their own leagues.

What RK probably did was rubber stamp people we were already looking at, perhaps reinforcing the case into the bargain. We’d have known about them

I remain unconvinced that the new PL money is going to make much of a difference except raise the average price of what the market will bear, so pragmatically, we’re still going to need the youth players coming through. It’s arguably more important than ever.

GA may be right. We may end up being unlucky at some point. Appointments are key decisions and we can’t get all of them right. What you can do is minimise the impact of an individual leaving by investing in the collective. Saints have done that very well recently, so much so that we’d have to be fucking unlucky to make a really bad appointment.

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I’ve supported Saints for over 40 years regardless of manager or playing staff. We’ll be ok.

Koeman will soon be forgotten and soon be sacked on Merseyside.

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We are a stepping stone and always will be, I just want to the board to admit it, if they don’t then I can only assume they are prepared to pay top dollar to retain talent, this is rhetorical as its obvious they are not so they have bullshitted us for years.

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

We are a stepping stone and always will be, I just want to the board to admit it, if they don’t then I can only assume they are prepared to pay top dollar to retain talent, this is rhetorical as its obvious they are not so they have bullshitted us for years.

They’re not going to admit that. and while I think you can take some kudos for sticking your neck out ( and sticking to it ), there are limits to your life analysis.

The only time a club will admit that is just after a reluctant sale, and mostly to placate the fans. It would also be a complete waste of time with the exception of a handful of elite European clubs. Barca are not a stepping stone, nor are Madrid and nor are Bayern. Every club in this country is a stepping stone, Manchester United included, or Ronaldo would still be there.

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Good post, Pap. I was going to call Bazza a bellend but you’ve saved me the trouble.

Toys lobbed from pram if they do admit it and toys lobbed from pram if they don’t.

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Fkn Everton tho. Everton! I’d made my peace with Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, even Spurs, but when Everton start ripping the piss, that’s a new low.

Heard this morning that West Ham are in for Mane, Wanyama is going to Stoke, and Bertrand has got his heart set on Hull.

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It’s 7m a year in a footballing city. Worst case for him is that it’s a fuckup, but even in that situation, people will say “well, it _was _Everton”. Makes total sense for him on a personal level.

Pap you miss the point of Kruger’s organic growth, Koeman saying he is not going (what changed his mind) and moving upwards, they won’t admit it but this is as good as it gets, I stated this last year.

Now I know son I am ahead of the game but Jesus one year?
Their game is up we’ll never be a Champions League club, we’ll always sell our best players and for our size we are arguably the least successful side in England.

Maybe not facts but pretty close and I couldn’t give a shite about it really as I am resigned to it and what can you or I do?
We breed players and sell them and the money goes to the shareholders, the game is up as we have been so successful at it.
Without a billionaire the only way is down and become a Premier League staple which is fine but also what we have been for the last 40 years really, the saddest part is we have a ground I have never (not that I go that much) felt attached to in a way the Dell did.
Football has changed but not for the better.

Barry’s resigned impotent rage is perfectly understandable. We will always give players their career start or restart and sell for profit. It is the only way that makes commercial sense and it’s extremely frustrating.

Do I wish we could challenge at the top? Of course. Do I wish we threw money at it to achieve it? Fuck no. Money has ruined the game. I’ve started trying to follow Eastleigh for the past couple of years, not easy from a distance but closer to supporting a football team rather than a company.

If the money Everton are offering is correct I wouldn’t want Koeman to stay, he’d have to be barmy to turn it down. The last thing we need is someone mentally unstable in charge.

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Has the fat knacker actually gone or are we in the pants wetting phase

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

Pap you miss the point of Kruger’s organic growth,

Didn’t miss it at all. Having worked with North American corporate directors, that’s likely a euphemism to cover the fact that it isn’t all planned.

Koeman saying he is not going (what changed his mind)

Money, and lots of it. As good a player as that man was, there wasn’t a huge amount of money in the game back then. There isn’t a huge amount of money elsewhere, at least not in a league as well regarded. This could sort him out for life, and all he has to do is take the job.

and moving upwards, they won’t admit it but this is as good as it gets, I stated this last year. Now I know son I am ahead of the game but Jesus one year? Their game is up we’ll never be a Champions League club, we’ll always sell our best players and for our size we are arguably the least successful side in England.

I honestly don’t know how you feel you can say that, especially after the season we’ve just witnessed. To recap, a team that pundits were tipping for the drop in 2014/15 won the Premier League in 2015/16. Big club received wisdom is dead.

For our size, we’re the second most successful club in England. Only Leicester did better.

Maybe not facts but pretty close and I couldn’t give a shite about it really as I am resigned to it and what can you or I do? We breed players and sell them and the money goes to the shareholders, the game is up as we have been so successful at it.

We’re not a PLC anymore. If anything, KL has been putting her money into the club instead of taking it out. The only part I can agree with here is that we’ve been successful.

Without a billionaire the only way is down

Leicester didn’t spend billionaire money to achieve what they did.

and become a Premier League staple which is fine but also what we have been for the last 40 years really, the saddest part is we have a ground I have never (not that I go that much) felt attached to in a way the Dell did. Football has changed but not for the better.

It’s because you don’t go enough. Your attachment to the Dell is almost certainly tied to positive experiences you’ve had there. Most of my experience has been in St. Marys, and I’ve had some fantastic times there. Appreciate that some moves can kill the atmosphere, and am not trying to pretend for a second that St. Marys >= Dell. It could have been a lot worse. Check the atmosphere at the Emirates by way of comparison.

At its best, St Mary’s is a cauldron of noise and passion that raises the hairs on the back of your neck. To me, it’s a magical and near-spiritual place, especially in the Itchen North. Get down more.

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Fuck… just where can I go for a semi? (meltdown that is) - I am not ready to go full on back to SWF, but srs, come on you twats, at least someone join me in crazy meltdown land - Cn I call Ron a cunt yet?

Gay Highland Saint

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Seems my account has been hacked by some angry cunt call Gay Highland Saint. I laugh at his melt down antics… really is a fucking bedtwetter… who cares, we will get another manager, and win the league next season - you heard it here first.