šŸ‡®šŸ‡· Iran

I don’t want to appear to be supporting this hit. I didn’t think Paps analogy was a particularly good one, is all.

I am finding myself on the side of an arguement where I don’t really want to be

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The reason I asked Barry to reverse the situation is because I wanted him to realise just how much this was not the done thing, at least not by nations professing themselves to be civilised, and even then, not openly and boasting about it on Twitter.

This is not the done thing and is starting to look like a total disaster for the US Administration. Some of Trump’s supporters took him at his word when he said he would not involve them in more military blunders and spent ages blaming Obama for fomenting war with Iran.

I think this is the beginning of the end for the US’s presence in the Middle East.

Could there be a circumstance where it was justified, for example there was real proof that he was planning a number of attacks on Western countries etc?

Those events are still unfolding and are being examined in court.
Appeals process in Iran?

The Boer War was condemned once the truth was fully reported.

Perhaps, but that is surely the job of intelligence and counter-terrorism to sort out on the ground.

At present, we’ve nothing but the US’ word to suggest that he was, and conflicting reports that he was actually on his way to do the done thing - negotiate in good faith.

I’m sorry, but this sort of action really is not the done thing, and I think you need a little more than the unverified ravings of the Trump administration to feel comfy with a move so big.

I don’t disagree there but the Iranian regime is a revolution (we can talk about that history as well if you want) and the US/UK are democracies (we can talk about that as well), accountability and scrutiny are far higher here and the right to demonstrate and disagree also.

Er, what preceded the birth of the US, Bazza? :smiley:

If so get prepared for Israel to go full out on the offence, along with Saudi’s as their mates.
If the US go there’ll be war like never before.

I’m with you on that - I posted earlier that if there was real proof then maybe it was about time these head honchos paid the price instead of the poor sods who end up doing the dirty work

However, if it was an opportunistic hit then it has probably done more harm than good

So the US is still a tea revolution ex colony is it? What was their slogan concerning representation?

Pompeo is the hawk here, Trump lets be honest doesn’t have the ability to have a middle eastern agenda or standpoint.

The US departure from the Middle East is inevitable. They will leave it a cynical and much destroyed region, many of which are going to be fertile ground for demagogues of all kinds.

Worse, the US has actually provided a unifying cause that has eluded the Middle East for the last century.

From a military standpoint, you are entirely correct to suggest that Israel is a strong player in the region. It did after all repel the joint forces of a number of countries in the region, although there is a great deal of debate as to who struck first.

I’d argue the Israelis, given their tendency for not generally giving a fuck about doing the done thing. They are famous for practising the policy of assassination we are discussing now.

I think they’re a total wildcard if the US leaves the region.

Them and Saudi will align (they do now), the 2 state solution will be even further away, and war with Iran will loom large, I wonder at what point will people want the US back on the ground?
They fear this now.

I think they’ve only got 6,000 troops on the ground in Iraq. That’s not really enough to rule by force. It has operated on a rather shaky consent which seems to be rapidly ebbing away.

They can move more troops there, but they’ll be putting them all in danger. Just as with every intervention, there seems to be no long term viable aftermath.

There is a lot of US Navy in the Strait of Hormuz, and it’s right next to what is likely a defensive missile frontier.

You just said the US were leaving?

  1. Open political assassination is not the done thing. Period.
    It is a red line that has been crossed.
  2. Since forever, the thought of a pan-Arab anti-western alliance has been a nightmare for ā€œthe west & Israelā€
    The effects of destroying Iraq in a fake war, and the utter shambles of Syria, plus recent gains for rebels in Libya have created a nascent Levant/Persia alliance and maybe a single state with others maybe Libya set to join.
    Basically, the two clowns the Republican Party put in power have created the one thing the west tried to prevent.
    The game has changed.
    The issue now is how do Iran use their moral superiority and when will the last western troop leave.
    And what do the GCC States do now - their long term future is on the table

The Iraqi’s were protesting against the Iranians and their murderous regime a month ago, its not all of Iraq but some of it.

Which Religous group were protesting?

They were anti Government protesters against the pro Iranian influence and want reform.

Of course now this will be drowned out.