I agree they should have the vote but by Christ they’ll be a poor nation in it and with the euro as well.
Oh I say!
EIRE seem to be doing ok - a country with a similarly sized population and economy. Higher GDP than the UK average!
Also I think any criticism of Jeremy Corbyn in this is incredibly harsh - he didn’t do anything wrong at all. Put forward his arguments and emphasised that democracy is the key, rather than resorting to scaremongering like Cameron did straight out of the gate.
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It was The Pap wot won it.
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Ok, so a few thoughts after waking to this morning’s initial horror that we are leaving the EU:
- No-one likes to not get their own way. Personally, I don’t. I voted Remain, but we’re leaving, and the majority voted that way. Deal with it. However, the reaction to it, and those who have voted to ‘Brexit’, has been utterly ridiculous. Just because they voted Brexit, does not necessarily mean that someone is racist, xenophobic or uneducated. It means that they want a change.
- Judging Brexit on the first 12 hours is ridiculous, and the scaremongering posts today of doom and gloom are a complete over-reaction. The Pound weakened, but mainly because of the fact that the markets, yet again, gambled, and got it wrong. The FTSE lost value, yet will still end the week UP on where it was on Monday.
- No-one still knows what will happen going forward as there is no precedent for this. I love the attempt at many ‘overnight economists’ to explain what will happen going forward, and how screwed we are. People did not just become economists! Trust me on this one.
So everyone, the next 2 years are going to be VERY interesting. Sit back, hold down your jerking knee and relax, and enjoy the fact that every single one of us, young, old, intelligent or less so, will become more enlightened over this.
And you never know, it may just work.
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A bloke just told me he had voted Leave, but he explained that if it doesn’t work, his masterplan is to vote us back in next year. 
And you wonder why I worry about the intelligence and motives of some voters?
You have to love a democracy but some decisions are so big they need to be made by experts.
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O well it’s done now. Personally I’m sorry to see Dave go. If anyone was capable of making a silk purse…
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Is Cameron working his notice or are they putting him on farmyard leave?
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There were some Leave voters on TV this morning. When pressed on why and what changes they expected to see, it was an end to immigation, “it will be especially good in time for this summer peak period because (wherever the person was) it is always too full here” 
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Originally posted by @Rallyboy
A bloke just told me he had voted Leave, but he explained that if it doesn’t work, his masterplan is to vote us back in next year.
And you wonder why I worry about the intelligence and motives of some voters?
You have to love a democracy but some decisions are so big they need to be made by experts.
I was just leaving the front door of my very special hospital on day release
and who did I spy there speaking to one of my fellow special patients…but Rallyboy
Medication is working for me…hence day release…but Goatboy is a lost cause
So Rallyboy get your Brexit quotes from more reliable sources
Off the back of low tax rates which the EU wants to stop.
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I think all on here at least have acknoledged that noteveryone voting Brexit is a racist… but that there was a sizable chunk that voted Brexist who are at very least xenophobic, and some who are simply ignorant and were voting brexit because of teh fear of too many immigrants…mis informed, misguided and directed by others of influence who are very clearly little Englander at best. This relatively new ‘agressive’ ‘deal with it’ is a bit pathetic really, everyone IS dealing with it, wehave have to, but that does mean you cant express the dissapointment - dissapointment not in WAY people voted (that is democracy) but in the WHY when its obvious to so many this was a quaetion that 90% of us at least are not equiped to answer if focused on ALL the arguments and not just on the years of stoking up the immigrant issue…
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Market confidence and volatilty is expected… long term it depends on our own productivity, but chances are I will lose my Polish plumber who is the only one I have had (and I have had plenty) who actually wnated to work,turned up on time and completed the job when he said he would… Thank fuck we have no manufacturing industry left, we would be really screwed.The markets will recover - but taht means fuck all to the avergae man in teh street with just a state pension to look forwrad to and small top up from his workplace one… when various imported goods begin to get more expensive, he will be the one to notice
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NO one has a crystal ball- fuck knows what will happen, but we now live in a UK that has given Boris Johnson and Farage validation, if not a mandat…yet, our very own pair of Rightwing clowns to rival anything that Cunt Trump can do… especially when it comes to channeling tehir own clear xenophobic ideals into policy…I can only hope that some of the more moderate Tories,recognise that these two are far to fucking mad to be let loose anywhere near number 10
People react to these things in different ways - as they should be allowed to. Coming over all condecending telling them they should ‘deal with it’’ does no one any favours.
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Where have I been condescending? The implication that those who voted Leave are idiots is condescending, and that has happened A LOT. But if you don’t want to deal with it in a rational way then fine, do as you wish. You’ll just end up looking a bit of a dick.
Absolutely amazing , the arrogance of some on here to categorize 17 million good guys and gals
as if they have no right to vote
The same arrogance that Blair, Cameron and Campbell etc have shown in recent years.
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‘Deal with it’ is an agressive condecending expression… deal with it
Yes most who voted are not equiped to make that decision… and IMHOits been made for teh WRONG reasons. That is the frustration with the process - that is also a rational POV - deal with it
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The EU wants to impose a minimum amount for corporate tax - not stop their low tax rates altogether. Plus their GDP is almost 10k higher than the UK’s, that can’t exclusively be down to a few percentage off in tax…
And so it starts, taken from here… http://www.thelocal.fr/20160624/its-impossible-not-to-feel-ashamed-to-be-british
Just arrived at a 78% Muslim school. White man stood making victory signs at families walking past. This is the racism we have legitimised.
Been standing here five minutes. Three different people have shouted “send them home”. pic.twitter.com/cVvmYvC73o
11:59 AM - 24 Jun 2016 · Barnsley, England, United Kingdom … “I don’t want to sound racist, but there’s just too many foreign people coming to this country,” was what one happy Brexiteer told The Guardian on Friday. This appears to be the ‘common’ understanding of what Brexit is all about, not about policies or laws or finance or tax - no doubt there’ll be some moans when petrol goes up at the weeked now that the £ has dropped against the $
I’m 62 and still vividly remember back in Wolverhampton when I was 9 or 10 being on a trolley bus with my Dad when the Indian/Pakistani conductor went to an old guy for the fare. Said guy got the coppers out of his pocket and dropped them on the floor to make the conductor pick them up. The mean, pettiness of this, obviously racist, act has stayed with all this time and it hurts now to see this newly legitimised xenophobia and racism But we really do have to wait to see how this pans out - wait until the rages finish.
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… and there in lies the problem. Because this debate became about something that that should NEVER have bene a part of such a decison. By all means have a strong and vigorous discussion on the merits of the EU, pros and cons, democracy, sovereignty if it matters that much and let people decide on those factual issues… but the moment UKIP began their right wing campaign that made a direct association with the Ills of Britain with EU policy and …immigration, we started down this dangerous slope. I remember whenm UKIP first started, their battle cry tehn? Keeping the £… and immigration… I feel fucking ashamed of this country when I see Johnson and farage celebrating… and if that sound over dramatic, its designed to as this is IMHO much more serious step to the right than any person with a brain would ever want their country to take. …but its OK, I’ll deal with it…
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I hear what you say Ottery but this was a massive decision with massive consequences, and when you hear some of the reasons that people have given for voting leave it really is worrying. Apart from some of the posts on here I have lost count of the number of people who said they were voting leave to keep the immigrants out. No reasoned arguments about the economy or sovereignty etc. Just we need to keep the migrants out. Yes, I don’t like the decision and yes I have been condescending about some leave voters, but given their thought process and the enormity of what has just happened, I stand by my comments.
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