Well, there definitely is in Liverpool looking at this thread.
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Good (op-ed) piece in The Grauniad from Paul Mason. Echoes a lot of things I have said before on this thread and others.
But yeah, Farage, Johnson, Murdoch et al are not in this to make things better for normal, working people.
They are not a bunch of upstarts looking to shake the establishment. Far from it, to think otherwise is cause for a good head-wobbling.
The easily defeatable arguments of the non-fact checking set.
Why is there so much crap being spouted about if brexit we are going to descend into 18th Century work practices? It is just scaremongering, pure and simple.
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No, it isn’t.
A right-wing lead Brexit campaign is not going to see any improvement of rights (won in the EU) given to workers. The ‘red-tape’ these people bang on about is more often than not in reference to certain regulations regarding workers rights.
They have already stated their desire to abandon the EU Human Rights act. These people do not want to give more power to workers, quite the opposite they want to give it to people in charge.
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What rights were won in the EU? Many were won before we entered, the EU is a protectionist cartel and big business loves it.
Can I have the lottery numbers for this weekend please, KRG?
Ah here he is. Here to tell me I haven’t got a clue, or I can’t possibly be as informed as you?
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They’re both led by the same educated right wingers, the remain isn’t some liberal group of San Francisco 1968 hippies, its led by the City of London, bankers and tax exiles.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
What rights were won in the EU?
In the words of the TUC:
Access to paid annual holidays
Improved Health & Safety conditions
Rights to unpaid parental leave
Rights to time off for urgent family reasons
Rights to equal treatment part-time/fixed contract/agency staff
Rights for outsourced workers
Rights for representatives to be informed and consulted.
Or, we could trust workers rights to this guy, who thinks this of them:
the EU is a protectionist cartel and big business loves it.
Aye, I’m sure that is exactly the reason people like Rupert Murdoch hate it so much.
Business like it for the trade, it’s not that hard to understand. Of course they want to be part of a market of 500m as opposed to 60m.
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I’m just amazed you’re so certain.
I’m not.
So assuming that we leave and the Tories lead the exit negotiations, if the Tories start to dismantle the fabric of workers rights that we enjoy in this country, then you only have to wait a year or two before you can get rid of them and get the workers right reinstated by another government. That is the up side of being in charge of our own destiny. This Dickensian future that people are flappiing about ain’t going to happen.
I think we already have a pretty comprehensive set of workers rights in this country - you talk of improvements, what would these be (apart from minimum wages)?
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But that’s the thing isn’t it KRG? If workers rights are eroded then the (Tory) Governemnt loses out at the next GE and the incoming (Labour) Government then restores the said rights! This is something that we, the people, can control unlike any laws that the EU Commission proposes and are then passed down to the lackeys to rubber stamp.
Many of those were won before entry and have been improved since, unions fought long and hard for thses conditions not the EU.
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Of course I’m not _ certain _. But I honestly think that is the most likely of outcomes.
I don’t think any of it is particularly wild speculation. Certainly not an an individual basis.
Say we do vote to leave:
Do you honestly see Cameron surviving? Personally, I do not.
Is there anyone other than Boris likely to take the leadership? I really cannot see that either.
Is there likely to be a new GE? I’m less sure on that, but in the event of one happening - I don’t see Labour making great strides in it. I can only see a Tory majority.
Should the Tories win, who will form his govt - well, probably those that he campaigned with. I.e. the more right-wing factions of the Tory party. Boris, Gove etc. All of whom don’t have a great track record of looking after the people, and who many of them have spoken about their desire to dismantle the NHS.
Yes, I am speculating. But I do not think any of what I am saying is coming out of left field, and there are plenty of political commentators that feel the same (that doesn’t of course mean it is correct or guaranteed to happen, obviously, but it suggests that what I am saying isn’t outlandish, or entirely without cause for concern).
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The Agency Workers Directive is a shitty piece of legislation that has worked against the very people it was designed to help - the lowest paid.
It was well meaning , but the unfortunate outcome is that low paid agency staff cannot expect to stay in the same job for more than 12 weeks (the point where equal treatment applies), before being cast aside and a new batch being taken on. This problem is made worse by a ready supply of cheap labour ready to work for the minimum wage.
Crap EU inspired legislation made worse by EU free movement.
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
The Agency Workers Directive is a shitty piece of legislation that has worked against the very people it was designed to help - the lowest paid.
It was well meaning , but the unfortunate outcome is that low paid agency staff cannot expect to stay in the same job for more than 12 weeks (the point where equal treatment applies), before being cast aside and a new batch being taken on. This problem is made worse by a ready supply of cheap labour ready to work for the minimum wage.
Crap EU inspired legislation made worse by EU free movement.
It isn’t perfect, but the big problem with it is employers that manipulate that advantage of that.
Free movement of capital without free movement of people does nothing but trap the poorest people in the poorest places.
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You mean the people that are chosen by our representatives, or the people that we directly vote for.
The first can be removed, the second we can remove at elections.
I agree Cameron is done and so, for that matter, is George. However I’m not sure that Boris is the shoe in that everyone thinks. I suspect we will get an outsider (eg priti patel or andrea leadsom). Although I did see a poll which has Gove winning at a canter 
Aye, and it is the people that we can’t remove that make the laws that the people we do vote for rubber stamp.