Of course it’s based on stuff the EU has done.
There’s no other rational way to make the call. Should I really swap actual experience and recorded history for some benign invention that doesn’t exist?
Say you have a loved one with an abusive partner. Do you think of all the good they could do, or do you worry about how bad it could get?
I think you’re a hypocrite and that’s all thee is to it, a snob to boot and also wrong.
haha, no worries Barry, Because your opionion on me right or wrong means absolutely fuck all to me 
Sorry a follow on to my last post. There is not a finite amount of wealth and or jobs in any economy.
New people (migrants) arriving in a country does not therefore mean less money, and less jobs for everyone else.
With new people, there is increased demand. With that, comes more products bought and more money being spent in the economy. This in turn helps jobs.
Our biggest problem is that we prop up industries that fuck us over, and gamble on everyone’s future. Migration has not caused the biggest issues in our country over the last decade, reckless bankers and politicians making ideological cuts to society have. The damage caused by them far, far far outweighs anything migrants have ever done.
I also do not believe the push from many ( not all! ) is deeply rooted in xenophobia and racism. Just fucking look at the posters Farage is parading around in front of - it is identical to Nazi propaganda
I also realy would like to know why there is a constant conflation of migrants and refugees. The people pictured are refugees, we have taken a disgustingly shameful amount of refugees from Syria. How on earth can anyone claim we are at breaking point because of them?
It is terrifying that this kind of outright racist rhetoric is given free-reign in this country. Facism is on the rise, we must absolutely come together to defeat it now, as we did in the past.
I’m going to make what may well be an unpopular point, but I think it needs saying. I’ve spoken before about the dangers of this deliberately inflammatory tone, that stirs up hate and ‘others’ people. I’ve said it in reference to Trump, to UKIP to Britain First and others. It’s one of the many things pap & I disagree on. Words have consequences.
If you bombard people with messages such as “we are broken”, "breaking point’, “swarms of immigrants are invading our country” etc it probably is’t all that surprising when we see tragic happenings like we did in Birstall last week. I’m not saying this was the sole contributing factor, there are of course other things to take into account. But such rhetoric plays a role. I am in doubt of that.
Originally posted by @KRG
Hospitals are struggling as we are living longer, moving less, eating more shit and having less kids (i.e. average age of population is increasing). EU migration has a benefit on this, as migrants that come are generally younger and healthier. Therefore they are much less likely to use hospitals, and make a net contribution in that respect.
The housing problem is far more to do with us selling off huge swathes of social housing and not replacing it. Migrants, EU or not, may increase demand slightly, but they also generate wealth whilst here. The simple fact is, migration or not we have not built enough houses for years. There are other factors too, such as people living longer and more families separating than previously.
The effects of EU migration on wages are hugely over stated. The only real impact it is proven to have is a slight impact on the very lowest paid workers. Obviously this is not ideal, and needs to be improved upon. But the idea that leaving will suddenly elevate all the lowest paid workers is a myth. The effects on wages are offset by the economic benefits of the EU, trade and the single market. The economic impact of leaving will hit these people much harder.
We cannot do this whilst we have open borders. It is not about being racist or xenophobic, but being pragmatic with the resources that we have.
I disagree. I think it is xenophobic to blindly blame immigrants for all of our problems. Closing the borders will not solve the problems you list above. It is a trick as old as time, rich folk blaming poor(er) folk as the reason you aren’t better off. That is not to say you specifically xenophobic or racist, but I think the approach is.
I did read an interesting article on this exact topic the other day, I’m desperately trying to find it. But can’t remember where it was. If i can I will share the link.
You raise valid points in that our Hospital are under pressure through funding cuts, longevity etc. and that there is a general housing shortage. Given that we haven’t got the adequate resources to heal and house properly those who are here already, it seems silly to enable the problem to get worse by not controlling migration to some extent. FWIW I am not saying we should turn off the tap completely, just reduce the flow whilst we get on top of it.
Over the last 10yr we have had net migration of almost 2.5m (source: http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics) That is 10 cities the size of Southampton. It is a huge number and yes it will have an impact on housing and public services - how could it not?
Is migration the only cause? No of course not, but it will have a significant contribution to the pressure on these services.
With regards to the minimum wage, we are going to disagree on this. Firstly a “slight” impact on the lowest of earners usually cause significant hardship especially where every penny counts. I work in recruitment and we have an endless supply of european candidates looking for work, all willing to work for the minimum wage. Until that dries up, wages will not move as employers do not have to raise wages to attract staff. It is simple economics.
Refugee’s for a start are completely different to economic migrants and the pro EU campaigner’s conveniently miss this.
They also don’t mention Turkey’s blood money given for taking them at Germany’s request (Merkel’s) as political opposition proved too strong to resist.
They also don’t mention Germany needed 600,000 low skilled workers.
There are many more gaping holes in the remain immigrant/refugee argument and I’ll be happy to point them out.
word of warning guys. Bloke at work does the Counting at Elections and Things (he says you get £118 Tax Free for this one which is pretty gd cheddar really) and if you mark your vote with a tick, or a smiley face, or a small penis shape, like most normal people would do then they do NOT regard your vote. It has to be just a cross, and not a baby jesus cross, it has to be like an X and it must not overlap the box i.e. stay within the lines.
Just word of warning guys. Be safe.
He also said lot of times people make the mistake of writing i.e. WANKER! at the bottom of the vote card, and if they do that it is non-regarded too. He said they usually non-regard approx 10% of the votes, which seems a lot really, but this is in Birmingham remember, I don’t spose there is so many r-tards in i.e. Southampton.
I don’t know if you’ve seen this…the guy an advisor on the EU to Government…not party aligned just and advisor on EU matters. This is going viral on social media so in all liklihood you have seen it. If you haven’t find some time to listen to it…it’s important.
The EU reminds me of my extended family ( and most people’s) there are rich ones, poor ones,dominate ones, argumentative ones, chip on the shoulder ones, happy ones, moody ones, stroppy ones and no hopers I am stuck with my family ( because for the most part I love them and there is no restriction on what we do) but I don’t have to be stuck with our european family and its restrictions nor do you vote Brexit.
NB no one can predict with certainty the future in or out, either way could have its problems but I would sooner WE were in control of our destiny than someone in Europe.
I saw that article a few days ago, nothing new really, he has just been called out.
whatever the vote is i am hoping that the losing side except it and we can all work together to make this country strong and better but if we win or lose what is the point of ukip after thursday they have either won or lost
If there is a remain vote i think nige will be rubbing his hands in glee. The next ge will see huge gains for ukip.
They had a pretty healthy share of the vote last time (protest votes?) but it got them nowt. I dont see them doing that well again
What will be interesting is, in the event of an Out vote, will the MPs facilitate or hinder the legislation’s passage through parliament.
Labour will haemorrhage in many Northern mill towns, they’ll lose quite a few seats I’ll bet and as I said they’ll be very very disruptive in the house.
I mentioned the other day, but there are _rumours _(rumours, cannot emphasise that enough) that in the event of a Leave vote, Farage will be offered a job in govt and a seat in Lords by Boris.
They’ll try to squirm out of it, do you have faith the remains’ will act fairly? I don’t, they have big corps and tax exiles to protect.
Literally no-one knows.
Apparently asking for a clear vision of what Brexiteers envisage as being part of the future should Leave occur is stupid and facile.
Use facts to judge, but just don’t ask for facts. As we can’t give you them.