Has the Brexit argument been effectively won so

I was overhearing a conversation on the beach yesterday and soem woman was telling her daughter that if we Brexit that she won’t be able to work abroad.

I really felt like jumping in and telling her what a load of crap she was spouting!

Before the EU did Brits never work abroad? Why would it not be the case again? Just have to jump through a few more hoops to do it is all. I spent a year working in France in 1990, had to get a Carte de Sejour but I still managed to work there.

Brexit lying again? How surprising.

Brexit would not make £8bn available for the NHS

Michael Gove claimed on Friday that the IFS had said that leaving the EU would free up £8 billion to spend on the NHS. We have not said that. We have looked carefully at the likely public finance implications. We conclude that the net UK contribution to the EU over the next few years is indeed likely to be about £8 billion a year, £8 billion which would become available for other things were we to leave. However we also point out that even a small negative effect of just 0.6% on national income from leaving the EU would damage the public finances by more than that £8 billion. There is virtual unanimity among economic forecasters that the negative economic effect of leaving the EU would be greater than that. That is why we conclude that leaving the EU would not, as Michael Gove claims we said, leave more money to spend on the NHS. Rather it would leave us spending less on public services, or taxing more, or borrowing more.

That, despite the fact of how hilarious it is that a Tory minister claims more money would be spent on public services. Even if there was a choice.

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Another day, another outright lie from Leave. This is becoming quite the habit for the people who have so effectively won the arguement, isn’t it?

This dossier of criminals produced that we have been unable to to deport due to the European Court, all 50 of them had deportation blocked by British Tribunals.

Impressively, Dominic Raab (Justice Minister - son of a Czech refugee & husband to a Brazilian wife) manages to misunderstand (or, y’know just straight up lie about the process), blaiming “unelected judges in the rogue European Court”.

The European Court does not decide on these matters. Individuals cannot appeal the European Court.

:lou_facepalm_2:

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The Trail of the Troika.

I found myself shouting “cunts!” at this pretty regularly.

Cheers for link.

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Can you summarise, I don’t have 90 mins spare to watch, well I do but I don’t think my work would appreciate it.

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Vote Leave.

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It’s probably very sad but I had to look up the word Troika, I thought it was some Russian drugs gang thing…

Seriously though, it’s worth a watch.

Watch it tonight. Any summarisation I do is ultimately going to be coloured by my own opinions. I’d suggest whacking on headphones but small bits of it are subtitled on account of people speaking Paris-talk or whatever.

Ooh, this is quite a nice Leave image for Sotonians.

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Sarah Wollaston defects from Leave to Remain

Ironic that she says she defected because of what she perceives as misinformation from the leave camp

Dr Sarah Wollaston, the chair of the Commons health select committee and an outspoken MP, said on Wednesday evening she had become convinced leaving the EU would damage the NHS.

She attacked Vote Leave’s claim Brexit would mean £350m could be spent on the health service every week.

“For someone like me who has long campaigned for open and honest data in public life I could not have set foot on a battle bus that has at the heart of its campaign a figure that I know to be untrue,” Wollaston told the BBC.

Wollaston told the BBC she had become convinced the NHS would suffer a “Brexit penalty” if the UK voted to leave the EU on June 23.

“If you’re in a position where you can’t hand out a Vote Leave leaflet, you can’t be campaigning for that organisation,” she said.

Originally posted by @BTripz

Sarah Wollaston defects from Leave to Remain

Ironic that she says she defected because of what she perceives as misinformation from the leave camp

Dr Sarah Wollaston, the chair of the Commons health select committee and an outspoken MP, said on Wednesday evening she had become convinced leaving the EU would damage the NHS.

She attacked Vote Leave’s claim Brexit would mean £350m could be spent on the health service every week.

“For someone like me who has long campaigned for open and honest data in public life I could not have set foot on a battle bus that has at the heart of its campaign a figure that I know to be untrue,” Wollaston told the BBC.

Wollaston told the BBC she had become convinced the NHS would suffer a “Brexit penalty” if the UK voted to leave the EU on June 23.

“If you’re in a position where you can’t hand out a Vote Leave leaflet, you can’t be campaigning for that organisation,” she said.

Leave, lying?

I’m just ever so surprised at this news.

Both sides misrepresent, KRG.

Your comment only works if Remain have been paragons of honesty, which they have not.

Um, have I ever claimed otherwise?

Have I said even as someone that wishes to Remain, that I don’t like the way that campaign has been run. Yes.

Now, who did try and say that the Leave campaign was mostly positive, and defended the speech about being “Locked in the back of a car”?

EDIT: Duplicate post, deleting the duplicate.

Chris York@ ChrisDYork 8m8 minutes ago

7 batsh*t conspiracy theories from the EU referendum debate http://huff.to/1PiJd2A

Yvette Cooper weighing in for Remain asks how BJ and Gove can live with themselves over Turkey “lies”

I back on the fence. I really am not sure, balls, I thought I had made my mind out, but now back on that fence! If I still feel like this on 23rd June I will probably not vote, but I feel I should, so perhaps stay? Seriously will be gald when this is over so all the petty mud flinging can stop!!!

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Same, though I fear that given how close the likely outcome is this isn’t going to go away any time soon.

Leave or Remain, there’s going to be a lot of people narked at not getting their way (more or less equal to those that do). It seems as though there is a pretty strong chance the margin will be under 5%.

Think it’s going to have some pretty serious fall out for the government too. The Tories are probably going to be torn apart over it. Can see unrest in Labour too, though perhaps on a smaller scale.