Has the Brexit argument been effectively won so

The vetos prove we are all in it for National interest and not the EU’s, not little Englander all fellow Europeans are only in to see what they can get out, we don’t out as much as we put in so why should we help others?

Do you think they like us?
They like our money.

I shall be voting remain.

Originally posted by @Bearsy

Problem with EU is we’re only half in, what with all the vetos & not signing up for using their Euro Disney Dollars & EU is like Karate.

https://youtu.be/dhAJ2PL3_XY

The vetos prove we are all in it for National interest and not the EU’s, not little Englander all fellow Europeans are only in to see what they can get out, we don’t get out as much as we put in so why should we help others? Really lets be honest, why help shitholes that are only in it to help themselves, this was a trade agreement initially wasn’t it? Do you think they like us? They like our money. And open borders, I have yet to see mass hot bedding by English roofers or plumbers in Estonia or Hungary…

Mass Hot Bedding In Estonia and Hungary is a tv show i would watch srs

Originally posted by @Fatso

I shall be voting remain.

That’s because you can’t move you big chubster…

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A couple of polls putting Leave ahead.

The pound has apparently fallen as a result.

Postal vote done and posted. So if everyone can now shut up about it until the results that would be good. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by @Intiniki

Postal vote done and posted. So if everyone can now shout about about it until the results that would be good. Thanks in advance.

Raaaaargh!

Well, you asked.

For those that have not yet voted, this is an interesting piece from Gary Younge, a remainer himself, on the disappointing track that debate seems to have taken.

Even the Guardian writers now are using Johnson-Ratners example, the EU isn’t great but.

Piss off, lets make something better, more democratic and more accountable.
Could we, can we?
Give us a chance, we’re a sitting duck in this shitfest as it stands.

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Good idea B. Let’s make our own EU, and make it so good that all the other countries are begging to join us. We can call it the Premier EU or even the Champions EU.

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I’d rather look beyond Europe and see if we can bring countries together’ under the British flag. We should be thinking more global. Let’s be world leaders, not followers. And I’d call our new cooperative something like The British Empire.

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It’s a shame that Britain and Ireland have so much historical enmity to overcome, because ironically, it’s one union that not only makes sense, but also effectively exists today.

Irish people see the UK job market as just as, if not more valid than their own. Over on the island itself, cross-border business and travel is common. Culturally, we are incredibly similar, which is one of the reasons that 112K Brits live there already.

We’ve got a lot of shit each other need. It is unfortunate there is so much shit we need to get over.

yeah I would be ok with Ireland joining the Champions EU. I would get them in, and the scots, but then not invite wales hahaha

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Without being funny they aren’t 112k Brits but Irish Brits born in Great Britain, I know loads of Irish who were born in England but moved back when they were 2/3 years old, but you are correct they moved for jobs etc etc BUT they are Irish certainly not English.

Its a case of a stat lying, like the amount of Brits who live abroad and work etc etc.

Best piece of Remain campaigning I’ve seen yet :lou_wink_2:

Pap, how the fuck can you vote leave when those supporting that campaign wear such ridculous trousers/shorts?

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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

now the remainers are largely relying on fear and exaggeration?

Farage, again, making his “A vote for Remain could see migrants rape you” comments again.

Seriously, this is the positive, non-fearmongering campaign?

Voting to leave the EU also means we don’t qualify for Europe, at least not the group stages or something.

Would sir mind lavishing a little source on that morsel?

The Champions League is managed by UEFA, which covers loads more nations than the EU. My understanding is that aside from the winner of the Champions League or Europa League, everything else is decided by UEFA coefficients, the club coefficient in particular.

Wiki’d below, but mostly based on prior performance of a country’s team in European competition. Don’t think EU membership comes into it directly. There could well be an indirect effect, especially if we leave the Single Market. Every EU player will need to get a work permit, so we’ll have less access to the pool of players, particularly when you consider the fact that a lot of South Americans are dual nationality.

One of two things will happen should we Brexit. I suspect that the Home Office and the Premier League will come to a deal which relaxes the work permit requirement.

If that doesn’t happen, we’ll have to return to the old days of developing our own players and reaching semi-finals of major tournaments. It’ll be awful :lou_wink_2:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

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Originally posted by @KRG

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

now the remainers are largely relying on fear and exaggeration?

Farage, again, making his “A vote for Remain could see migrants rape you” comments again.

Seriously, this is the positive, non-fearmongering campaign?

It’s at times like these, that we really need improved voting systems.

I would like to be able to vote in a way that says “I want to leave, but Farage is a fucking dick”, but there are only two options on the ballot. It’s imperfect.

The problem is, under a FPTP system (the EU referendum is conducted so), I fear “I want to leave, but Farage is a fucking cunt” vote would split the “dick” vote, allowing Remain to sneak in, and giving us no official consensus of whether Farage is a fucking dick or a fucking cunt, leaving us with the unofficial but unconfirmed suspicion that he’s both.

We need an optional comments section so people can qualify their vote in some way. Great time and effort should be made to enter and collate the results, to be announced alongside the referendum.

Picture this Brexit:-

“Britain votes to leave.
But 36% say Nigel Farage is a fucking cunt
32% say fucking dick
18% say Toad of Toad Hall”

It’d be a crumb of comfort to Remainers, surely?