That’s very bad. Do you have any evidence of this taking place with regard to this particular PETA stunt?
I haven’t said that women can’t dress as they wish. I said that this sort of thing damages the fight for equality.
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Not of PETA. But plenty ow women are and have been exploited.
Yes women should be able to wear whatever they want, whenever they want etc.
They should not be subject to letchy comments or touching or assault. Having said that I’ve been sexually harrassed when wearing a long sleeved buttoned up top and ankle length skirt. Or The security guy who grabbed my bottom in a pub when i was in jeans and a tshirt. Or the coked up city boys on a train who surrounded me trying to kiss me (pretty full carriage, guard skulking in next carriage), or the guys who rubbed up and down me on numerous transport in different places in the world. Mostly this was when I was younger. Thankfully I don’t seem to be targeted now. Oh I can also add in that I was 11 and my sister 7 when we were flashed at for the first time when walking through the common. We weren’t on our own we did have a female adult with us who tried to gloss over it probably so we weren’t too upet.
So when people have commented about women wearing little being provocative it doesn’t always work like that.
The other part is other women shouldn’t be rude about what other women are wearing or look like. Doesn’t help the cause (see numerous insidious women’s mags and daily fail side bar).
Sadly we aren’t there.
I may have gone off topic there. But I feel thr some people think we have equality and things aren’t too bad but there is still a lot to do for women to be safe and equal here and abroad.
So I’m a feminist and I may not always get it right but I’ll at least try and support equality.
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Woops. Delete. Muffed up the quotey thing
These are all criminal activities for which people should be prosecuted and punished (I appreciate how difficult that can be and how easy these scumbags can get away with it). No-one would disagree.
Why? How?
Men and women are both free to dress how they like to advertise whatever they like - there are plenty of topless male Hollister models outside their stores. I don’t see any inequality here - what aren’t women free to do that men are free to do in this regard?
Yep absolutely. I should have reported them. But hey it was only bants by the men. I shouldn’t take it so seriously. It was laugh. Etc.
Also the ones on public transport (bar train) would have been difficult to identify as they were behind me and we were packed like sardines. To the Italian one I did elbow him and tell him to stop. I got off at next stop. Way before i needed to and walked. The lad who pulled my skirt up, ran off I didn’t even see him and this was before ccrv was everywhere.
I forgot the one at work. Where several females complained but shit all was done. The added insult. Him being paid more than me for same job that I had been there longer.
So we give up. Whats the point no one listens, nothing seems to get done. Sad isn’t it. I wish I’d done more about it. I know that on the tube they monitor a lot to help catch people.
Well I’m very sorry to hear that you had to experience that. If its any cause for cautious optimism I’d say that from what I can see, the tide seems to be turning with regard to attitudes towards sexual assault on packed train carriages and suchlike.
Its a very small and petty example - but there was a recent story on LadBible about overcrowding on Japanese commuter trains and some brightspark in the comment section said something along the lines of “lol - gotta luv it - loads of chances to rub up against women” or some shit - and was swiftly destroyed in the comment section with the top response being “you literally just admitted being a sex offender on the internet you fucking idiot” - which recieved a tonne of upvotes from an audience which is fairly wide-ranging and predominantly male - so maybe there’s cause for cautious optimism there. I really think that the number of men nowadays who’d look at ‘grabbing’ with anything but contempt is pretty small. I suppose the question is how many men would actively call it out I guess.
But then, you get stories like the Cologne mass sexual assaults and you do start to worry - particularly with the media coverup. Oh well. Fingers crossed.
Change it to Vaginism as I like eating that
I would suggest that women parading around in underwear or bikinis or whatever in order to sell something is the objectification of women and sexualisation of advertising that encourages men (and women) to merely think of women as objects of sexual desire rather than equals of men. Women are clearly sexual beings and thats lovely, but there is no need women to use their bodies or be encouraged to use their bodies in order to sell things. Yes there are adverts where men are scantily clad but it is not done to the same degree as it is with women. It merely reinforces the idea that women should be judged on their bodies and appearance and therefore undermines any attempt to reach equality of opportunity and treatment.
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Agree with all this. There are, IMO, reducing numbers of adverts / promoters using scantily clad women which has to be a very good thing, although there is still a long way to go. At the same time, there are increasing adverts using scantily clad men - Mueller Light for example - which seem to be treated by many female viewers as a bit of fun, a bit of a laugh etc.
There were better articles about this but I cannot find any at present.
GQ magazine put fully clothed men on cover but woman of the year is naked.
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I call him Ever-reliable Phillipine
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The funny thing is, I saw an awful lot of this type of thing on Twitter- with progressive middle-class men being berated by angry feminists saying that women should be free to choose how they dress and that if they want to get half-naked to sell vegan cream, then they jolly well will.
In your ideal world would you like, for instance, the law changed on the matter? Or are you content with just tut-tutting your disapproval at the bikini girls?
Yeah I remember that. Given that Lana Del Rey actually makes fucking good music I thought it was a bit lame. So I don’t buy GQ.
WWE “superstar” Naomi, she’s a good wrestler, doesn’t wear skimpy stuff when she’s performing yet seem sperfectly happy doing this
Should she be stopped from doing it?
So we’re doing the animal race a favour by keeping them alive for food in inhumane conditions and them killing them with no dignity or self worth?
Did you get thrown out the gestapo for cruelty?
Little Mix, X-Factor winners, when they won they were demure and nicely dressed. Now they go about wearing skimpy gear knowing that sex sells their records, sod the fact they can’t sing to save their lives.
Yet when interviewed about it hey say they dress how they want to dress and if people don’t like it tough.
Does their stand help or hinder feminism?
You should stop assuming things that aren’t implied. DId I say that I agree with the way some animals are kept? Did I say that I will only buy “humane” animal products.
Or did you just assume because I like meat and animal products I am a monster?
Nailed it! What a woman wears is her choice, no-one can make us wear things we don’t want to. As for the comment “have to do because they need the work” that really is no longer the case.
If PETA wishes to use sex to make a case that is their choice, just as it’s my choice to avoid anything that sleazy organisation is involved in
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