Here’s a more balanced view. As usual, these things are nuanced:
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Verdict
The new EU regulations promote competition for the market between rail operators irrespective of ownership structure, but not privatisation. As far as renationalisation is concerned the reality is that, unless the rules are interpreted in an extreme way, they do not make it any easier or more difficult than the structure in place at the moment. The only thing that the new system will almost certainly rule out is state monopolies that do not have to compete with rivals to win franchises, renationalised or otherwise.
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So no renationalisation then?
Not really a lie, more of a rebrand. Strictly speaking it will end when we leave(it won’t really, it’ll just be called something else. Doesn’t matter which party is in office).
Strict regulations on minimum wage and workers rights being enforced would stop a lot of the issues and could have been introduced years ago. Same with benifits entitlement. The problem is a government that wants to strip away people’s rights and any regulations, all for the sake of profit for a few(remember immigrants are cheaper and easier to cheat, so you can guarantee the tories won’t be stopping immigration).
Reread the next sentence after the one you highlighted.
No, it doesn’t say that. You can renationalise, but services have to be tendered. I guess it’s a bit like local government having to comulsory tender various service they deliver like refuse collection. The result is that some places have refuse collection done by council employees and others have other companies doing the collection on behalf of the council.
Incidentally, is this the right thread to be discussing this. We seem to have seriously drifted off-topic.
Can you imagine if a Tory came out with that! Haha.
And for heaven’s sake - no-one is blaming the immigrants themselves and you know this - we’re simply pointing out that for the very poor in this country don’t benefit from migration on this scale (and by the way - the fact that poor people in rich countries don’t benefit from globalisation is really fucking uncontroversial among economics circles).
Look, if you think that the Labour Party is allowed to lie because its for the greater good then just say so; just say “It is OK when we do it because we’re the good guys so the rules are different for us”. At least that’s honest.
How do you renationalise everything without creating a state monopoly? That’s the point I think you’re missing.
Incidentally, is this the right thread to be discussing this. We seem to have seriously drifted off-topic.
Perfect thread, imo.
Train tickets are sold as First or Standard class, after all.
Franchises can run down and on expiring go into public hands, the East Coast worked perfectly under the taxpayer, too well if you like a conspiracy.
Cetain industries should be only within the state, the private sector can not be trusted on so many things, now if they were actually paying a true value for the railways then it would be different, it costs far more for a privatised railway than a state one and its only ideology that saw them be sold, it hasn’t worked and we’ve only vanity projects and expensive white elephants to show for it.
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That is exactly what the tories are doing(how many rebrands has May performed in the last month alone), so yes i can imagine it.
The tory press have done nothing but blame them(have a look back through mail/sun headlines). You’re not pointing anything out, you’re missing the point(migration isn’t it, nor globalisation really. Neoliberalism is). The poors problem is much bigger than immigration and wholly caused by our own governments choices.
I have never said i condone lying, or implied that they are lying(lying would be saying that you would reduce it to the 10’s of thousands, then doing nothing for 7 years, whilst letting in over 190,000 from outside the EU in a single year and then blaming the EU). There is also no “we” as i am not affiliated to any party. I do however agree with Corbyn that freedom of movement is not the real issue. The rules are certainly different for one small group of people(nothing honest about them i’m afraid). Why is that?
Can you point out a lie from Corbyn on free movement? When asked about numbers, i have never heard him say that they will reduce year on year. Fluctuate due to need is about as close as he’s come as far as i know. Take more notice of what he refuses to say.
I’m not sure there is a class system anymore.
I was in Asda the other day and this fat woman in jogging trousers was shouting at her kids, ‘no you can’t have nuggets Tom Wentworth Somerset Dunstan, and stop fighting with Peter Theodore Alphege - you little shit!’
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