Does the Class System still exist in the U.K.?

Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher Rees-Mogg

Does a class system still exist?

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There is a typo in that article. He’s described as a social media ā€˜cult figure’.

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Leaving the EU should address this balance.

I assume that’s meant to be sarcastic

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Don’t think he is. There’s a bit of truth in what he’s saying. Both electable parties are on for ending freedom of movement. Supply and demand will kick in, and employers are going to need to pay more for unpleasant jobs.

Where @mrtrampoline 's point falls down is the chasm between those at the very top, and those at the very bottom, which has existed since time immemorial, no matter the form of government.

Brexit won’t address that.

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Does the class system still exist? Clearly not if everyone now seems to give their kids goddam awful names these days.

Feel sorry for his kid though

Rees-Mogg is a nasty piece of work who somehow gets away with it (perhaps because he looks like an overgrown Harry Potter).

I saw an episode of HIGNFY with Victoria Coren hosting. She was lapping up his schtik so much it made me cringe.

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I can’t stand rees-mogg or coren.

That’s not a silly name like the working class do, naming kids after Beyonce or cheap wine. That’ll be some family name from 400 years ago. That’s what these fuckers are like.

This is want I have always wanted for this nation, too many selfish bastards though.

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The ā€œtoffsā€ aren’t the only ones to lumber their kids with stupid names.

It’ll certainly help an awful lot though.

We get to nationalise the railways, which we can’t do inside the EU.

We get to have free university education, which we can’t do inside the EU due to the fact we’d have to offer it to 480 million people who have been learning English from the age of 5 in primary school. .

We can control immigration and competition for jobs, which we can’t do inside the EU.

We can rebuild our industries and diversify our economy behind a tarriff wall and move away from our reliance on financial services, which we can’t do inside the EU.

We can actually tax companies properly to pay for public services, rather than allowing them to say their head office is inside a broom cupboard in Luxembourg, which we can’t do inside the EU.

That’s why Jeremy Corbyn is the fucking man - and has committed to leaving the EU.

Any true left-winger would.

Trouble is, you won’t get it without a totally self-destructive, insanely generous immigration system which has essentially fucked Sweden forever.

Don’t be so sure.

Didn’t Blair nationalise East Coast?

Scotland?

Yes, we absolutely Can. Look up what other European countries do, but our government chose not too.

Why not. Explain why European countries already do exactly this?

As above, except it was our government alone that vetoed tougher tax evasion laws.

Have you seen who is in charge and have been doing an excellent job of destroying the country for the last seven years?

Leaving is going to be painful whatever way you look at it. Without a complete change of mindset, it’s going to be a disaster for us(you particularly if you think you’re going into a stable career) . Sorry, just the way it’s going to be.

  1. The EU forces us to open up bids for railways (among other things) to competition and prevents state intervention - as one would expect from a neoliberal project. Sure, there might well be public ownership of fairly unprofitable lines here and there - but we cannot nationalise the entire rail service whilst inside the EU.

  2. There is nothing that an EU member state can do to insist that a company move its headquarters from one country to another. Sure, a Conservative government might well have vetoed tougher tax laws, but would a Corbyn-led Labour? Either way. Its a moot point without leaving the EU.

In terms of whether it’ll be a disaster for me - who knows? I vote from a moral perspective and in the interest of the poorest, the youngest and those not connected to London - all of whom will benefit from our departure - and if that’s at the expense of soon-to-be City boys like me? Meh. Fair’s fair. I would rather live in a country with a diverse economy where we help each other out by making and doing things for one another - rather than one in which we devote our existence to being the financial prostitutes of Europe whilst throwing a few scraps to our countrymen via the tax system.

I asked time and again how the EU benefits the twenty-something low-wage worker earning Ā£8-9 per hour working in a callcentre in Bradford and got no good answer. I’m still waiting.

Only 2 points now?Let’s have a look.

  1. The EU has forced the sell off of the railways in France and Germany? I never knew. Proof please.

  2. A country can still force tax out of any company that wants to operate within it. Just needs a willing government. Lots of EU countries do this, just look at their public services.

Good to hear you follow your beliefs beyond the personal, but you may be putting to much blame on the EU. Look closer to home(not saying the EU are blameless).

How will leaving the EU help the worker in Bradford? No subsidies anymore, company will probably fuck off to the mainland and they’ll be left with the worst neoliberal government in the world(and no job). Shit choices all round and remember Corbyn has no intention of stopping free movement(good man), because that was another lie, that could have been dealt with by our government(yet again they chose not too).

The EU does have many problems, but they pale into insignificance, compared to the deregulated, profit over life hell, that the present government are hell bent on achieving.

Good luck with the job. If they ask you to relocate, don’t hesitate.

Was just watching Sky News International - actually was only half watching, but there seemed to be a story about the EU now saying they don’t even have to come up with a deal on Brexit with the UK.

That’d fuck May and the Tories even more than they’re fucked already

:lou_lol:

Unfortunately It’ll royally fuck over all of us as well

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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/renationalise-railways-what-no-one-will-tell-you-we-cant-while-were-eu

ā€œCorbyn has no intention of stopping free movement(good man), because that was another lieā€

So you’re saying that Labour flat-out lied in their manifesto and you approve of them doing so?

" Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change, but Labour will not scapegoat migrants nor blame them for economic failures"

http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour%20Manifesto%202017.pdf

Thanks @pap some things i didn’t know. She’s a leaver isn’t she?

I Notice she said our own government has taken things further than any EU law requires, but the bit that stood out for me was this.

ā€œIt would be hyperbole to say that all efforts to renationalise the railways would be blocked by the EU.ā€

This quote would suggest the headline is in fact a lie.

I’m not denying that there are massive problems with the EU, but the way the blame for everything is thrown at them is ridiculous.