:covid_19: đŸ˜· đŸ„ Corona Virus the thread for all your fears ❓

From a FB post attributed to a Dr Frank Smith who says he is an epidemiologist (i can’t confirm) but all he says aligns with the science on this that are witnessing.

We need to make folks understand that we are at least 2-3 weeks behind. We are seeing the increases in infection and deaths as a result of our behaviours over the last 4-6 weeks
 and there is a danger that many see the current isolation as ‘not working’

From Dr Frank Smith.
Hey everybody, as an amateur infectious disease epidemiologist (although a lowly one), at this point feel morally obligated to provide some information on what we are seeing from a transmission dynamic perspective and how they apply to the social distancing measures. Like any good scientist I have noticed two things that are either not articulated or not present in the “literature” of social media. I am also tagging my much smarter infectious disease epidemiologist friends for peer review of this post. Please correct me if I am wrong (any edits are from peer review).

Specifically, I want to make two aspects of these measures very clear and unambiguous.

First, we are in the very infancy of this epidemic’s trajectory. That means even with these measures we will see cases and deaths continue to rise globally, nationally, and in our own communities in the coming weeks. This may lead some people to think that the social distancing measures are not working. They are. They may feel futile. They aren’t. You will feel discouraged. You should. This is normal in chaos. But this is also normal epidemic trajectory. Stay calm. This enemy that we are facing is very good at what it does; we are not failing. We need everyone to hold the line as the epidemic inevitably gets worse. This is not my opinion; this is the unforgiving math of epidemics for which I and my colleagues have dedicated our lives to understanding with great nuance, and this disease is no exception. I want to help the community brace for this impact. Stay strong and with solidarity knowing with absolute certainty that what you are doing is saving lives, even as people begin getting sick and dying. You may feel like giving in. Don’t.

Second, although social distancing measures have been (at least temporarily) well-received, there is an obvious-but-overlooked phenomenon when considering groups (i.e. families) in transmission dynamics. While social distancing decreases contact with members of society, it of course increases your contacts with group (i.e. family) members. This small and obvious fact has surprisingly profound implications on disease transmission dynamics. Study after study demonstrates that even if there is only a little bit of connection between groups (i.e. social dinners, playdates/playgrounds, etc.), the epidemic trajectory isn’t much different than if there was no measure in place. The same underlying fundamentals of disease transmission apply, and the result is that the community is left with all of the social and economic disruption but very little public health benefit. You should perceive your entire family to function as a single individual unit; if one person puts themselves at risk, everyone in the unit is at risk. Seemingly small social chains get large and complex with alarming speed. If your son visits his girlfriend, and you later sneak over for coffee with a neighbor, your neighbor is now connected to the infected office worker that your son’s girlfriend’s mother shook hands with. This sounds silly, it’s not. This is not a joke or a hypothetical. We as epidemiologists see it borne out in the data time and time again and no one listens. Conversely, any break in that chain breaks disease transmission along that chain.

In contrast to hand-washing and other personal measures, social distancing measures are not about individuals, they are about societies working in unison. These measures also take a long time to see the results. It is hard (even for me) to conceptualize how ‘one quick little get together’ can undermine the entire framework of a public health intervention, but it does. I promise you it does. I promise. I promise. I promise. You can’t cheat it. People are already itching to cheat on the social distancing precautions just a “little”- a playdate, a haircut, or picking up a needless item at the store, etc. From a transmission dynamics standpoint, this very quickly recreates a highly connected social network that undermines all of the work the community has done so far.

Until we get a viable vaccine this unprecedented outbreak will not be overcome in one grand, sweeping gesture, rather only by the collection of individual choices our community makes in the coming months. This virus is unforgiving to unwise choices. My goal in writing this is to prevent communities from getting ‘sucker-punched’ by what the epidemiological community knows will happen in the coming weeks. It will be easy to be drawn to the idea that what we are doing isn’t working and become paralyzed by fear, or to ‘cheat’ a little bit in the coming weeks. By knowing what to expect, and knowing the importance of maintaining these measures, my hope is to encourage continued community spirit, strategizing, and action to persevere in this time of uncertainty

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He’s a bit premature, isn’t he? :thinking: :thinking::thinking: Fucksake, he’s not even dead yet :rage:

Fucking hypocrites.

So, I guess Cummings is back in charge then


Jeremy Hunt must be a shoo in for today’s Order of the Brown Nose award.

Many better people have died in this virus pandemic due to their fuck up so I give as many shits about them as they did for them.

They are expendable. :rage:

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This is clever.
Dont leave the house, Spoliers everywhere!!

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Matt Hancock also has the virus.

Politics aside (tough ask on this forum I know) but it’s not good news to have the PM and Health Secretary at risk / partially out of action

This is so snivellingly typical
 he does not need to express his love for Boris’s ring in public, he could do it personnally, 
 a simple

“i send my best wishes to him for a very speedy recovery,” as stated by Nicola Sturgeon would have sufficed



but the thing that fucks me off most in this is the Tory way of ASSUMING the ‘whole country’ is with them, (was the same with Brexit), despite only getting 40% or the vote in last election
 They do it all the time, classic spin, say it often enough so it becomes ingrained in the peoples Psyche
 a new ‘urban myth’, a new seaman Staines
 cunts

The whole country should be behind the expert health advice (are we allowed to rely on experts again yet?), and collectively see it as our responsibility to protect the vulnerable, but fuck Boris

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3000 cases and 180 deaths today

And another thing how come Hampshire is the third most riddled county

We are still on the upward curve and will be for next 2-3 weeks before current isolation behaviours kick in
 its the dangerous time, as folks see figures rise and think isolation is not working and so flaunt it


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https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1243501978140979200?s=19

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Umm.

So everyone giving you advice on how not to catch/spread it, has caught it???

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Concerning.

My eldest mentioned that a lot of deaths were not being recorded as COVID-19 and were being recorded as pneumonia instead.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/chloe-middleton-death-21-year-old-not-recorded-nhs-covid-19-related

In this case, the girl did not test positive for COVID19, but the confusion is that her relatives were told it was connected, when it appears it was not.

With respect to COVID deaths, there are two situations, one which the death is directly attributed to the virus causing acute respiratory and other organ failure in extreme cases, and in others where the fact you have the virus, enables breakthrough infections such a pneumonia. As with AIDS, people did not die from the virus, but from breakthrough infections, so not sure what is recorded. Its tricky, there are for example cancer patients who die from infections as a result being immunocompromised, from the therapy. Cause of death would be the infection, not their cancer

I dont think there is any conspiracy to hide deaths as something else, to reduce panic etc, just that some deaths will be recorded due to the virus and some to the infections that cause death.

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To be honest, I am not sure either. Besides, I all think we’re all concerned with the reality of what is going on at the moment.

Having said that, I never trusted the government’s account of Grenfell.

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What a brutal fucking week. Closed the sites, furloughed the staff, took a fuck off big pay cut and will spend the weekend working out the forensic cashflow for trading with no income. Drinking the night away tonight to try and forget for a few hours. Feels like the last ten years have been ruined in a week. I feel just like fucking Schniederlin.

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