Ah the jingoistic view.
There are some interesting articles around atm. Germans do homeotherapy and eschewed vaccines for Duck shit in water.
UK has still got 40k+ infections
The only reason you dont need to lock down is in vaccine percentagesâŠ
I was surprised yesterday to see a queue of 50+ youngsters at a vaccine point in a Mall here.
âSuccessâ is mainly to do with getting yoof jabbed and that is about messaging & peer pressure
If youâd seen the blanket coverage from the beeb through this entire thing, youâd know that they are anything but jingoistic, in fact theyâre the polar opposite. They will have published this piece with their teeth firmly gritted.
Er no. The reason we donât currently need to lockdown is that positive tests are not translating into hospital admissions. The hospital admissions have been stable for the last 3 months.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
So it looks like Iâm off to the States. Iâm still not subversive enough to be denied entry (and they have my social media accounts!).
The only thing thatâll stop me going is getting COVID in the next two weeks. So naturally, every deviance from expected health, real or imagined, has turned me into a wreck.
Can you point out to me where in that article it is mentioned that the UK has had per head of population about twice as many Covid deaths as Germany?
Covid deaths per million of population:
UK 2,147.55
France 1,700.94
Germany 1,196.12
If this is true then I am absolutely stunnedâŠsorry for the Fail link
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Wasnât this, in not so many words, the initial strategy of the government?
Except this is voluntary herd immunity.
Doesnât seem to work too well.
The article isnât about deaths thus far, itâs about current immunity levels in the general population and the effect of that on which countries will need to lock down again, and which ones probably wonât. Germany has been very successful in suppressing the virus, the point of the piece is that suppression has had an inevitable effect on immunity levels.
Herd immunity has been the strategy for every country - the proportion of infection derived immunity to vaccine derived immunity has been the only difference
Yeah, but what made our government special is that it wanted to do herd immunity without the bother of a vaccine.
Our effort was based upon the fact that we have a dithering dickhead in charge
Too busy trying to be everyoneâs friend
I think the only thing that saved him was the fact he did get ahead on the curve on vaccines, but I suspect by then he had surmised that if he spunked all that money and got it wrong he was toast anyway, so he had nothing to lose
Theory knocking about that AZ vaccine triggers a stronger Tcell response which may be why the UK is not experiencing the acute rises in cases / hospitalisations or deaths as we are now seeing in Europe, because we stuck it in the arm of more of our oldies
So what you are saying is that most of the âbitter criticismâ the government has received during the pandemic has been from people blaming the government that they werenât immune enough and your measure of success when it comes to the governmentâs response is to simply compare immunity levels in the general population of different nations, ignoring poxy side factors, that everyone is completely comfortable with such as:
Deaths
Corruption surrounding government contracts
Pressure on health service and care home staff and resources
Escalation of authoritarianism.
I completely agree. Personally, my main criticism of Johnson stems from the fact that even better immunity levels could have been achieved by binning vaccines off completely and having a Nationwide Covid Bongo fuck party.
Netherlands are apparently 10 days from doctors deciding who gets the ICU bed. Surely that is going to be the refuseniks, for starters
No. Iâm saying that the article in question is not debating what the government has already done, it is discussing whether or not England will need to go into another lockdown as is happening on the continent, and thatâs why your criticism of the piece for failing to include figures of death per head of population is unnecessary. But I suspect you already realised that.