It’s also quite possible that giving as many vulnerable people as possible at least one dose is the right strategy (see here: http://peterenglish.blogspot.com)
But changing advice so radically, so early in a mass vaccine rollout seems fucking dumb. Patients should have been given the rationale and offered the choice rather than being forced into a huge experiment.
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So the rest of the media were reporting as fact some made up BS in a US newspaper
And they wonder why everyone thinks journos are full of shit
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I guess what the BMJ should also be asking is where exactly the NYT got the story from in the first place and what if any evidence was produced that made them decide they should run the story.
That would be more interesting to know (as well as them setting the record straight).
It’s easy these days to just assume the worst about all of the media. This current advice outlines the circumstances where interchangeability of vaccines may occur (p14).
Could be a case of simple misreading of guidelines, gross stupidity or something more malign. Who knows 
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Some of the guff retired medics are being asked to sign
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Safeguarding children, level 2 - no kids will be vaccinated
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
I get some training is required - like resuscitation and anaphylactic treatment etc but ffs
Anyone coming into clinical contact (in whatever capacity) with patients is required to do mandatory training to different levels, these are generally included within that mandatory training. It’s a lot, and it’s a ballache, but needs to be done.
Really??? - prevention of radicalisation for some one administering jabs for a short period ???
Given how little time they will spent with the jabee- what practical input can they have to spot it and intervene
Bollocks it needs to be done for giving vaccinations. This is the full slate for someone joining the NHS as a full-time practioner, totally unnecessary for someone who is going ot be part of a vaccination clinic…
If they are working in a clinical setting treating patients they need to do their mandatory training. If these make up part of the local authorities mandatory training then it has to be done. Can I ask what your main objection is?
When you are desperate to get a lot of people to volunteer their time to get you out of a hole, getting them to do pointless training - which the radicalisation one absolutely is as well as the child safeguarding if they are not treating kids - is stupid
Every barrier you put in place loses you a few more people, it is daft
Exactly what @CB-Saint said. They are not treating patients, all they are going to be doing is giving vaccinations for a few weeks and they are needed now. This bureaucracy is costing lives. Were you ever a traffic warden?
Yes I can provide a few Grapefruit if they want something to practice on.
Available if you need a hand.
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I don’t deny the requirements are bat-shit-crazy-mental but I feel this is unhelpful histrionics, which I’ve seen repeatedly being shared on social media by “friends” and other online acquaintances who really should know better. Just like the BMJ v NYT guff earlier
It’s been reported on the BBC
And it is true that the more impediments you put in the way the more you deter people
So I don’t agree that it’s histrionics
Surely a Dentist would have been required to do that to get his licence.
One volunteered to do jabs. Had to fill over 30 pages of forms & do training.
Jeez how did we win a war?
Please take this test before shooting the invading Germans
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Well I hope for their sake it is just as simple as giving someone an injection, I think the reality will include scared vulnerable people in attendance with adult and in some cases child carers, people that are angry and looking to vent, people who have been isolated for months who may be in varying states of neglect, the list is not exhaustive. I am aware that these are extreme cases but that is what mandatory training is for, so that nothing gets missed, especially as these may be the first medical personnel some of these people have seen in almost a year. The reality could be more that this has all been left to the last minute, training and volunteers could have been arranged weeks/months ago if timescale is the issue.
I think both our standpoints are coming from the right place but for different reasons. Not sure I fully get the traffic warden comment? Care to elaborate? If it helps I am a physiotherapist.
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I think the Americans had to do a similar test for their troops in Iraq, to make sure they didn’t shoot British troops by accident, 40% was a passing mark from what I heard.
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