:covid_19: 😷 šŸ„ Corona Virus the thread for all your fears ā“

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He was already manufacturing for the catering industry - with some expert help he was able to transition his production

So not quite the ā€œJoe Cuntā€

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Thing is this should all be about transparency and fulfilling the expected tender criteria… set up to ensure you dont have issues in quality and supply chain as these elements are stipulated in tendering terms and conditions. By bypassing the system you may get ā€˜supply’ and a non tendered cost but as with that contract award to other tory mates, there is a risk of millions being wasted on substance and unusable goods.

Its about integrity in the system. Yes these are exceptional circumstances, but given how easy it is for the unscrupulous to take advantage of these conditions, the procurement system should be even MORE transparent and if shoe making the decision were actually held accountable for the fuck ups and wastage, we would see much less of this cronyism and worse still, likely corruption

I understand the idea of ā€˜paying 10x’ for essentials just to have them, but this typically leads to supply only to those who can afford it… and typically ā€˜less’ than you need, so guess who and his mates are first in the queue?

Er…did someone with an MBA once shag your girlfriend or something Polski, as it appears in many of your posts. I have found working in global multi-billion companies that those with MBAs fall into two categories… those at the top who gained them AFTER they had 20-30 years experience and seem to doing fine, and those who do them as post grad without any experience before first job. This latter group tend NOT to be in positions where they have any influence or decision making authority until they have the experience many years laters. If you have seen many bad decision made by 'MBA’s, I would suggest its the the fault of folks hiring idiots/inexperienced folks and letting them loose on decision making before they have the experience, as opposed to a qualification…

You have to remember, an MBA is simply like any other 1 year post grad masters, they cover a very narrow area, mostly on a single business case thesis, They are not some magic ticket to business brilliance or a substitute for experience… therefore, it would be much fairer to simply blame the idiots that place inexperienced postgrads in decision making roles…

PS I dont have an MBA

Since July 2018, which aint that long a track record. Yeah, fair enough if he’s actually delivering, meeting his obligations to his staff, clients and suppliers, then that’s good, but the risk of it going tits up is huge. And it may still do.

He didnt need to tender, because he is a sub contractor to a main supplier - apparently all Hancock did was send him a link to the supplier. The chap concerned had to do the rest - including taking a financial risk in employing expertise to help him meet the criteria.

This case is as far from tory cronyism as you can get - more like a journo thinking he had the scoop of the year and disappearing down a rabbit hole

With regards to going through a proper tender process, we would still be waiting to be told if we were an approved vendor, let alone getting any PPE to the front line.

In normal circumstances I totally agree that proper processes should be adhered to - but the global scrabble for PPE was not normal circumstances.

Just done a credit check on the company, for shits and giggles.
One set of accounts at July 2019 as incorporation in 2018. No accounts for this year yet (he’d better get his skates on).
Main figures from 2019.
Total assets - £139,779.
Total Liabs - £164,932.
Nett Assets - £-25,153.
Working capital - £-48,465.
Suggested credit limit to company - £500.

FFS.

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My issue is that ā€œa large proportionā€ of nearly 30 somethings believe that because they have an MBA they know everything.
The most successful team I managed was full of MBA’s who actually had the intelligence to understand what they didnt know.
To clarify slightly more. The area I see the greatest fails like this is in Marketing/Event Management roles.
Examples?
We dont need any messaging, Sales can cold call people on LinkedIn.
They went bust.
We are giving a 65% discount to company A in America because they have a plan to grow sales of our product by 200% a year.
Yes, by stealing our clients we all said.
No it is incremental.
No it wasnt.
Success in business is doing what you are good at and employing experts in areas where you are weak.
It is not about knowing everything about everything.

Interestingly, the same bloke has two other companies. One of them is called Scarlur Manufacturing which has been ā€œtradingā€ for 3 years, without actually increasing it’s sales, however it’s liabilities increase year on year. It seems it has fixed assets, no trade and increasing depreciation, with increasing liabilities and costs. Nett worth = Ā£-88,915. Working Capital = Ā£-126,700. Can’t say what i think about that as it may be slanderous.

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Nuffink that Google/Amazon dont do.
#deflatenumbers
#paynotax

You’ve obviously not worked in the public sector where procurement and tender decisions normally take months if not years to complete…

Here at the University we can only get stuff from a list of approved suppliers, that also includes manpower. If a computer system needs replacing then the tender process takes about 6 months…

I should imagine the same sort of timescales would apply to the government.

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So does a substantial meal mean 1 fish and chips with 8 pts

Well he’s laughing now isn’t he, from zero to hero, milllions coming in. Yet many British companies with years of experience supplying PPE and the like to the NHS, up and running with production ready to go were contacting the Government back in February offering their services but were ignored. In many cases Hancock’s department didn’t even bother replying to them. We can see why now. It does amuse me the lengths Conservative supporters will go to excuse and try to justify this carry on which, lets face it is corruption. The government bypassing the usual suppliers, ignoring them in order to line to pockets of mates, family members, party donors and the like with hundreds of millions of tax payers money, public assets. Much of it wasted on products that were unfit for purpose with extortionate mark ups.Just imagine the outcry if a Labour government were behaving like this, the army would have stepped in by now. As far from tory cronism as you can get? I don’t think so.

If this is all fine and dandy and above board why the need for the bare faced lies from Matt’s chum and his lawyers? From the report.
ā€˜Contacted last week by The Guardian, Bourne’s lawyers flatly denied that their client had any discussions with Hancock in relation to Covid 19 supplies’.
'However, on Monday, after being confronted with further details about his interactions with the health secretary, Bourne backtracked. He conceded that he has in fact exchanged texts and e mail messages with Hancock over several months. Why the lies to try and cover this up if it’s all above board? Bourne now trying to claim that he barely knew Hancock, although locals in the Suffolk village where they lived claim they were as thick as thieves,(pun intended), drinking and socializing together. He had the private mobile number of the Secretary of State FFS. But sadly Conservative party supporters don’t care about this obvious cronyism and sometimes blatant corruption, move along - nothing to see here, just as long as it’s the Tories doing the gaslighting.

You’re quite right. He’s over there.

Just discovered Derby is Tier 3. Where will Barry be boppin’ this Christmas? :smiley:

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I’ve never been to Derby, is it like a classier version of Stoke?

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According to our @Barry-Sanchez it has a better nightlife than Southampton…

sorry you miss the point, your explanation still has nothing to do with a masters degree that is mostly based on a single business case…its a BIG sweeping generalization. It has all to do with employers hiring numpties and listening to them. Whether folks come form INSEAD or the SAID in Oxford, business schools teach concepts and baseline knowledge to give said students a foundation. I have found most grad ad post grad entrants know this and don’t use the concepts as gospel, just as a starting point in their problem solving. Experience than simply adds to their abilities