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What no singer? FFS how are us dyslexic meant to be entertained?

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ummmm…

Bailing out a Hungarian Company??

What do they mean by pro labour activist though. They have tried this one before, just diversionary tactics to distract from the programme’s contents. In past instances people with a vote labour sticker in their window have been labelled ā€˜Labour activists’, implying that it is something shameful and renders anything they have to say tainted and invalid. Even if they are door knocking activists, so fucking what! It’s bollocks, one of the oldest tricks in the book, used by anti democratic zealots for as long as I can remember. Sadly it is very effective with the hard of thinking Mail/Sun/Express readers.

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That’s not BSL.

In practice, firms that meet this requirement would normally be: UK incorporated companies, including those with foreign-incorporated parents and with a genuine business in the UK; companies with significant employment in the UK; firms with their headquarters in the UK. We will also consider whether the company generates significant revenues in the UK, serves a large number of customers in the UK or has a number of operating sites in the UK.

Whilst its head office and management team are based in Budapest , Wizz Air is listed on the London Stock Exchange because its domestic stock market is too small and illiquid. It also has a UK operating subsidiary which is the legal operator of the ten aircraft it bases in the UK.

It appears that because it is listed on the LSE and has some UK domestic office presence, then it’s all good.

Also the yield from the loan - assuming they will make all the repayments, is greater than the current bond yield.

Seems fucking weird though.

Just glad that Virgin can’t access the loan.

Rishi Sunak was asked how he’d arrived at the figure of Ā£60K for the death of NHS workers dying from COVID.

He replied ā€œit’s 30 pieces of silver, adjusted for inflation.ā€

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Reading the article, Wizzair seem to be a fairly low risk business to loan to, they seem financially sound and will most likely pay the BoE back the loan, earning interest for the UK. Can’t say Virgin look like anywhere near as low risk. I’d rather the UK loaned to well run foreign companies that service the UK economy than badly run nominally British ones where the loan is likely to disappear once they collapse into debt, ala Flybe.

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Got to take a step back on Care Homes gang. Perspective.
While what is happening IS horrific, it has happened in almost every Nation.
Spain - workers abandoned their patients.
France - huge death toll
Poland - highest number of infections/deaths in Care Homes.

It has been a collective failing, should have been better managed but the priority has been keeping Hospitals functioning. There needs to be a rethink definitely.
Now I think the delays and obfuscation by Boris & Trump are bordering on criminal, but youd need to throw almost every EU government under the bus.

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Sorry, but no it didn’t. What it done was show itself as an out an out propaganda machine. No thin ice skating there, more an all out dive.
To deny this would defy all logic and reason. It was an expensive choreographed destruction of democracy from the state broadcaster(just like the missing Cenotaph drunk).

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Yeah, but…the issue with the UK government and care homes is not that people died. It’s the choices, prioritisation and the spinning that deserves debate.

For me me, it’s two-fold.

Firstly our government has steadfastly refused to acknowledge the level of deaths in the daily briefings. The deaths, which we’re coming to understand are enormous, are just omitted from the daily COVID-19 death figures. Like they don’t matter. I believe this will now change from today - perhaps due to pressure from discussions such as this.

Secondly, we set a high barrier here to get a place on an ICU ward meaning that the old and the frail were not admitted. There is a grown-up discussion to be had about this and, as @Map-Of-Tasmania has pointed out above, COVID-19 is highly likely to claim the life of a frail care home resident regardless of access to ventilators or other iCU techniques and equipment.

I recognise that managing a pandemic is tough and mistakes will be made but this government, through the format of these briefings and by excluding dissenting news organisations, is spinning 45,000 deaths as a success with very little contradiction.

We need to remember that the fact that people died in care homes as opposed to attempting to keep them alive in largely empty Nightingale hospitals was a choice.

We need to remember that prioritising PPE for hospital workers (joke) over care homes was a choice.

We need to remember that prioritising access to testing equipment for hospitals over care homes was a choice.

We need to remember that ignoring the deaths in care homes by announcing only the hospital deaths was a choice.

We need to remember that any success that can be derived by the NHS not being overrun was a choice that cost some their chance of life.

These choices may have been the ā€˜correct’ thing to do. But we need to debate this and ask uncomfortable questions of those who made them.

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What this highlights is that we need an INTEGRATED health and care network, so we don’t cut budgets into small segments for primary care, speciality care, in-patient, or out-patient or community or geriatric care… but a completed system that looks to treat the patient holistically on need.

The funding for this MUST be removed from Government whims as this is wasteful and highly inefficient and prevents the system form long term planning. However, it must also not be private or profit making and it must be linked to taxation/NI system… but we all must recognise that it will cost more… and that includes closing the fucking tax loopholes for big business and the super rich - simple things, I would vote to pay 5p more in income tax if i kew that +plus the current allocation was fixed and ring fenced for health and social care provision by non-profit providers/NHS

Whilst we can blame Government for its piss poor and negligent performance here, we also have to acknowledge that if we want the best type of response to this, the POLICY must be dictated by the clinical experts with Government resources made available to deliver so any response to healthcare emergencies is delivered according to a expert led plan, with appropriate resources in reserve and without political interference - after all government is there to fucking serve, not have utter despicable cunts like Cummings ā€˜advising’ his pals when he has fuckall knowledge let alone compassion…

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Agreed, but we don’t want that to be the excuse we hear.

We all know that ā€œled by the scienceā€ is going to be the defence that we hear for any choices made during this crisis.

How can downgrading COVID-19 and removing it off the list of High-Consequence Infectious Diseases, be driven by the science?

It was surely done so that the government (NHS) could downgrade the PPE requirements so that it matched what we had available, so we could then legally send frontline staff into work with inappropriate protection.

That fucking stinks and in a select committee meeting in 3 years time, I fully expect Chris Witty to be thrown to the wolves, and his defence of balancing the available PPE with the seriousness of the situation was the pragmatic thing to do, will fall on deaf ears.

As you correctly say, the policy must be dictated by clinical experts - with no interference.

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Agreed, but my point was going forward

also we all know that they have NOT been led by science… they have listened and then made interpretations to suite their political shitefest… but who will listen to that truism?

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The difficulty with your plan (not that it means it’s wrong) is that when the science/medical need says we need to spend another billion Ā£s, the science/medical will always be ā€˜interpreted’.

That’s how we got NICE, I guess.

Don’t know what the answer is, but I’m sure it’s along the lines you suggest.

First thing they should do is get rid of the National Institute for Cutting Expenses (NICE) and replace it with a panel of scientific experts with no political interference

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Could equally look at how many Ā£100k + pa Trust ā€œboard memberā€ jobs are duplicated geographically…
All in favour of paying the market price, but saw there was almost 150 employees on 6 figure salaries