Morning Map, Iâve said this on this thread before, youâre concentrating on the wrong area when it comes to the stats about this disease.
Youâre concentrating on the death count when you should really be looking at the infection count. Due to the transmission rate of the disease the number of people affected rises exponentially, some mildly some worse, some quite badly. From what I can see there are only a small %age (5% isnât that small to be honest) of people that actually die from it or from complications caused by it.
However if you look at the infection count, 1m people, you can see how this would affect daily lives and services.
If nothing was being done to stop the spread then this number would be massively bigger and more people would be in hospitals causing more strain on hospital services, causing more deaths, a snowball effect if you will.
I can see why things are being done (competently or otherwise) to try and stop the spread and to find a cure.
I get your point about the starving people in Africa, not so keen on your underlying theme of racism being the reason why very little is being done about it.
I was saying just yesterday to Mrs Fatso, âwhy is there a shortage of flour in shops given that half the companies who use flour have closed - there must be a surplusâ
I hadnât thought of the actual reason which is explained in this article. Very interesting (or maybe the lockdown is beginning to get to me)
The NHS could spend our entire GDP without âwastingâ a penny of it. More money could potentially improve and/or prolong the lives/care of almost every patient under treatment, and there is no limit on the amount or cost of research into new treatments which would have the effect of curing, treating or preventing diseases like cancer, heart disease, etc. The failure to spend our entire national budget on it is, and has to be, purely pragmatic and, like every other area of public spending, a judgement call made by our elected representatives. The difference between âwantâ and âneedâ is a similar judgment call made by our politicians and NICE, but one that has to be made.
OK but no government of any persuasion, anywhere, has ever fully funded the NHS or an equivalent, or even come close. Because there is literally a never ending list of areas to spend money on. I donât see that ever changing. In the meantime, donations that can help will always be welcome
The knock on effect for the rest of the NHS and its patients is going to be massive. Got a call from the Eye Hospital yesterday - my appointment is still going ahead, but only because I am not in a risk group.
Most of my fellow patients in that unit are well over 70, well in a risk group and still need continuing treatment to see.
Even worse, a lot of cancer treatment isnât going on either.
I donât imagine that any health system anywhere in the world is not having to prioritise in the current situation. I realise thatâs of little comfort to those affected.
A mentor of mine as Iâve mentioned before, is fighting stage 4 Occular Melanoma.
His drug trial is being binned and they are fighting to keep a last gasp surgery slot open for him in NYC for May.
He had relapsed after losing an eye to it some 3 years ago. In all that time hes been building albums of memories on FB.
He was a serious Bike nut, taking part in Le Tour Pro Am meeting & racing with his then hero Lance Armstrong.
He knew Covid would likely kill him not the virus, the loss of hospital time - I think I mentioned it back at the beginning of the thread.
He is 50 odd and no, his treatment would have meant he,would have made it through the next 2-3 years and not been an MoT statistic.
Nice post, but not sure how its is relevant to my comment? Of course the infection rate is high, so there are major issues in ensuring critical care is available to those that need it⊠when they need it and that is a big logistical and resource challenge⊠and yes we may see folks die as result of not getting the critical care they need, when they could be saved ⊠but is that any different form those that dies every day from preventable disease?, from lack of clean water or sanitation, malaria, hunger⊠all preventable deaths. There is nothing in my comments that suggest we should not be doing all we can to prevent the spread of infection, so not really sure how your point is relevant to mine?
In a nutshell, I just find it rather sad that it takes 50,000 Western rich nation deaths for there to be this kind of action ⊠as opposed to 630,000 unnecessary child deaths in the same time period in âdevelopingâ nationsâŠ? Why do we care all of a sudden? Because government are shitting it that our economy gets fucked⊠If this virus had no economic impact on western markets, they would not give a shit about the accelerated death rate in the elderly and vulnerable.
Not sure what you are implying, but the fact is many of you seem to have missed the point completely.
First up, minimising the infection rate to ensure hospital care can return to normal levels is essential - FFS Phil my wife has cancer so really so it pretty clear you dont understand the point being made
This is fucking simple, seriously it really is. The âstatisticsâ is what you have to look at if making comparisons, and the statistics will tell us eventually, how many folks died quicker than expected as a rust of COVID-19 associated complications, or because of lack of access to other care, as they do about the cancer patient killed in a RTA on way home from Chemo⊠The point being that the numbers will be low compared to the daily death toll in kids from preventable diseases.
This is not about suggesting anyone is more or less deserving but about highlighting how all of a sudden we ARE able to spend a fuck load of money and put in a huge effort to save lives, when we cant be arsed to ensure all kids globally get the vaccinations that could save them? ⊠it would a fraction of what is being spent now as wellâŠ
So before attempting to suggest what you are âsuggestingâ, please consider the point being made.
