As I said before, I wasnât commenting on any of that. Please donât go all Barry on me.
Fair enough, but this is a man with a documented history of destructive hyperbole that advances nothing progressive.
Even if your personal scope of complaint is the use of the word criminal, itâs pretty fucked when you consider his previous, which has a noted history of demonstrably false statements.
Context is king.
Thatâs where we differ as I donât think he does chat that much shit.
Talking of destructive hyperbole, Lammy didnât call 17.4 million people fascist, nor did he call Labour leave voters fascist. That is simply not true. He likened the behaviour of some of the hard line ERG members to fascists. Giving as an example Rees Mogg being happy to put on to his web page the racist AFG(Alternative for Germany) Party. Translating this as Lammy calling 17.4 million people fascist is hyperbole worthy of the Daily Mail.
Lammy did have some support by the way.
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Any virus news?
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Ah yes, my mistake, he wasnât referring to 17.4m people as fascists.
He was referring to the ERG as Nazis. And then said he didnât go far enough.
Carry on. âLevel-headedâ Lammy is in session.
Think we need to go to the Brexit thread again. Weird to even mention it.
Ps it was the AFD. Utter arseholes and I sadly breakfasted with their founder and his wife (seemed a lot younger and not awful but who knows).
Weird. He disagrees.
Mate that was 2013. Get over it. Bigger issues now.
Itâs a clear case of him talking shite and having to apologise.
And I entirely agree. These are different times. Perhaps Mr Lammy might care to update his repertoire.
So⊠now we will be treated to the Queen addressing the nationâŠwell fuck offâŠ
⊠so we now have 55000 deaths globally since this fucker arrived ⊠horrendous for those who have lost loved ones ⊠but in that time Approximately 800,000 children have died from preventable diseases or hunger ⊠context is everything especially as sadly when we look back in 12 months time, how many of those who have sadly died from COVID 19 associated infections, would have died from their underlying diseases in that time anyway?.. of course itâs still horrendous, but why donât we put this much effort, money and concern into those 7000 kids a day?
Maybe because they donât contribute to the economy? Maybe cause they are mostly black or brown, living in some country riven with war, or corruption or simply of little value to the global economy, with nothing to offer us in the west? No oil, no mineralsâŠ
Then we have that cunt Boris spouting his idiotic shite from his doorstep⊠and now the dear old Queen ⊠what the flying duck will she contribute? Has she discovered a fucking vaccine? Or is she trying to get all nostalgic for some âwar timeâ blitz spirit? FFS anyone comparing this to âwarâ is fucking unhingedâŠ
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I think @Map-Of-Tasmania will agree but does anyone get fed up of the use of war like talk when we talk about health issues/covid-19?
I just heard âwe have the weaponaryâ to fight this.
We have the medical equipment to (we donât though).
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This is a very crass remark and totally speculative.
I have just read this piece by Patrick Cockburn where he touches on this. An interesting article and a very good summary of how we got to where we are today.
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Sorry itâs not. Itâs a medical and epidemiological fact that there will be substantial overlap between the victims of this virus and those who would have died from breakthrough infections within the next 12 months⊠we just donât know how much.
This is the issue, we canât handle it because itâs accelerated and is overwhelming the health services.
Itâs not crass. It challenges our perception of what âcompassionâ is because we are equating the emotions of death with statistics and science. You can still have compassion and care a out the impact on those emotions, whist at the same time being rational about the bigger picture⊠truth is we wonât solve this through emotions, but through epidemiology and rational thought.
Please explain to me how itâs NOT fucking crass, to put these trillions of dollars into preventing the death of many who would die anyway within 12months and not give a flying fuck about 7000 under 5s that die every day that could go on and live for 60-70 years but for a vaccine we in the west take for granted?
Why is one life of an over 70 western person worth so much more of our âcompassionâ and money than a black child in Some war torn famine ridden shitehole?
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PS. And I say that as someone who has two parents still in their later 70s, a wife who has cancer, and a child who has some unknown hepatic diseaseâŠ
Oh and another thing⊠is it crass that they have suspended cancer screening services for Breast and bowel cancer here in Scotland? People will die unnecessarily because of this because their cancer was not detected early enough⊠people die⊠sadly every day.
Crass is comparing it to war
Didnât say this did I?
I think itâs crass to state that people dying of Covid19 that have underlying medical conditions are going to die anyway, as if they arenât worthwhile.
Didnât say this either.