I thought this might be worthy of its own thread, but this could easily go into latest news.
With todayâs confirmation that Begum has lost her British citizenship, the UK has continued what is a rather dangerous precedent which goes against pretty much all prior principles of Britishness.
Ex-pats will tell you that the British government really does like to keep you. While there have been high profile cases of people renouncing their citizenship, I canât remember it being forcibly taken away from someone born here.
I know, I know. Itâs Jihadi John and Shamima Begun weâre talking about here. They went abroad to fight with extremists and were prepared to take British lives.
For me, every time we break our system in response to terrorist atrocities, itâs a win for the terrorists.
We are reacting to them, and because of those reactions, itâs no longer unthinkable for any UK citizen to lose citizenship.
Iâve got more to say on this, but Iâll let the thread breathe for a bit and ask an opening question.
Are we okay with our government creating citizens of nowhere?
In principle I would agree with you, what is the issue for me is the whole victim culture.
The law can be an ass, but she made this choice.
Oh she was only young they all cry.
That is all.
In her specific case, when she was initially angling to return, didnât she give a couple of horrific interviews where she seemed to maintain support for Isis and its methods. I canât imagine that it helped her case one bit
Better the devil you know.
Surely might have been better to let her be British, and have the authorities continually looking at her and any associates as âpersons of interestâ.
Kicking her while down may increase the radicalisation, and driver her underground or back into the arms of radicals, where no one can help her and/or check what is going on.
Sheâs definitely a product of consequences. some of her own making, but most of the rest of it has been constructed elsewhere.
Would we have a Jihadi John or a Shamima Begum without the disastrous wars of aggression of the early 2000s? I am not sure that we would.
Indoctrination isnât based on truth. Itâs based on stories. Before the 2000s, the best stories the extremists could tell were either decades old or outright conspiracy theories involving the Jews.
The illegal invasions of the last 20 years have given the extremists all kinds of real stories to tell, and theyâre true. They create more extremists, either in the telling or surviving the doing.
If Begumâs crime is supporting extremists, the UK government needs to be in the dock as well.
So are we going to see this in China?
Whereâs the bleeding Muslim hearts for the plight of the Uighers?
Picking an easy target, are they trying that in Russia/Chechnya?
Are they fuck.
So youâre saying weâre better by being civilised? Does she respect that civility or abuse it as sheâs up shitcreek?
She can fuck off, well she did fuck off, she can stay there to.
As far as I can see there are two completely separate issues here. It really doesnât matter what she has done or not done. If she has broken any laws then she needs to be charged and face the consequences. She is a British citizen none the less and I donât see how anyone has the right to take her birthright away from her. It would be no more dangerous to bring her back here than the other people we bring back. The government clearly donât want the hassle of having to deal with her situation if she came back. If citizenship was taken away for being a stupid cunt, Barry would have more problems than being banned from Internet forums!
Patriot me, love this great nation, donât stab it in the back with a holier than thou sanctimonious liberal attitude, love or leave baby, youâre fucked, Isle of Man is nice, get packing son, youâre out.
Well if I advocated directly or indirectly, beheading, the burning of people in cages alive, thrown of buildings and many other crimes against humanity then sure. I wonât though as I am not a cunt who believes in a fascist fundamentalist totalitarian faith, people and liberals wonât challenge doctrine and stand up to it as theyâre shit scared, Bazza has been saying it for years and Bazza ainât wrong, now my answer is to tax faith ie theyâre leisure activities so theyâre not charities, they have to prove their Gods exist for charitable tax status, schools are all non dom and we go from there.
Faith is welcome, as long as it stays in the home.