Originally posted by @Rallyboy
Every aspect of the war from the reasons, the legality, the planning, the equipment, the lack of future planning - everything seems to have been, in Chilcot’s words, a half-arsed clusterfuck…
If ever there was a sentence that summed up the Labour party…
We should have had a referendum on it…
Originally posted by @pap
Cameron is in Parliament now summarising the report. He’s being much easier on Blair than he could have been,
Seeing as most of the current government voted in support that’s not really a surprise, is it?
Gutless and murderous.
Uhm… not so sure on this. EVERY party needs to evolve to be aligned with the needs of the time. Problem is most parties and Labour more than most resisted change for so long that it ended up having a fucking big jerk of a change, like a corrective plate tectonic shift - so that New Labour was unrecognisable from the old. BUt to be fair, Blaira nd Iraq was never about New labour or party politics, it was about ego. Blairs’s global statesman ego, The ‘governments’ 'ego - wanting to be seen as relevent, wanting to be seen as still being a global power - Could Iraq be Blair’s Falklands? The strong leader making big decsions? - Unfortunalety in a desperation to take that role, the legal basis for Iraq was sort of, ‘well, if we dont check to carefully…and if the US say so,it must be true…’ Soldiers and civilians died for ego, and no matter what, that is what is so unforgivable. Not sure how he sleeps at night to be honest… especially with all that fucking Catholic guilt.
A modest war is good for your image.
It’s great to be seen as a strong leader making difficult decisions - even if you have to clamber over body bags to claim your place in history.
Unfortunately for him, Blair’s PR campaign fell apart fairly dramatically once facts emerged.
And if you ever wanted an example of how go “from hero to zero” then Bliar is surely it.
I remember the heady days of New Labour when we thought the UK was going places and Tone could do no wrong.
Funny how things turn out…
Things Can Only Get Better…at the time we thought that was his intro song rather than his farewell - it’s a pity that they haven’t.
After a few moments of reflection.
Seriously?
So the planet is supposed to think that Dubya & Tone dreamt up this idea that Iraq was a big bad monster to destory all on their own?
And that nobody whispered the idea into Dubya’s pea sized brain?
Not as if any emails have come to light in senior US inboxes recently promising to destroy other Nations in this region on behalf of somebody else.
Yep. You wait. As soon as May gets her hands on it she’s going to invade Scotland for that very reason.
Bliar trying to wriggle out of it now, saying that the world is a better place without Saddam in it!
Seriously has he not seen the shit that is going on out there that his war helped exacerbate!!
Oil.
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
Oil.
You’ve summed it up in one.
We wouldn’t have gone to war with Iraq if their only export wad sand.
Bliar and the US were willing to sacrifice their citizens and destabilse the whole region for it.
The continuing instability in the region and current global terrorism is also a direct consequence of their actions.
Fuckwits.
Hey Pap, sorry to go off-topic but how come I can see some of the images people post but not others?
E.g. I can’t see the image on BTripz’s last post on my laptop (using firefox) but I can on my phone (using firefox). Same thing happened on the kit thread - I could see some pics but not others… is it me or the website?
Ta.
Originally posted by @Dubai_Phil
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
Oil.
Israel
Not mutually exclusive.
World Prison News July 2016
Spain - Messi tax fraud: 21 months
South Africa - Pistorius murder: 6 years
UK - Blair illegitimate war: lucrative consultancy & after dinner speaking work
Trooper David Clarke. KIA 25/03/03 Basra Aged 19
I’ve seen a family ripped apart by a sons death. Good people buckle under the grief and fail to understand why their son died. I’ve stood there at a funeral knowing the coffin was just bricks as there was nothing left to bring home.
Blair was responsible for this. I was against the war with every fibre of my body and I would still like to see him in The Hague.
Originally posted by @cobham-saint
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
Oil.
You’ve summed it up in one.
We wouldn’t have gone to war with Iraq if their only export wad sand.
Bliar and the US were willing to sacrifice their citizens and destabilse the whole region for it.
Wrong, in my opinion. Destabilisation was a desired side-effect of the conflict. The ultimate aim in the Middle East is to balkanise the lot into manageable, corrupt little states, leaving Israel of all places, as the sole legitimate authority.
Even in Iraq itself, destabilisation brought reconstruction and security projects, often offered under no-bid circumstances, often won by companies with close ties to the Bush dynasty.
Fascism somewhat changed its meaning once it became a synonym for Nazism. The original meaning was more to do with state and corporate powers aligning in common interest, each doing what the other could not, with the media playing along to legitimise their actions.
How different, really, is that from what we saw in Iraq? We saw democratic states invade countries that hadn’t invaded them first. We saw companies benefit and work in collusion with the invading state, be it private security contractors or reconstruction firm. We have been on a permanent war economy for the last 15 years, and the media has played along.
The BBC had a go, but then David Kelly happened, Hutton happened and it hasn’t been the same organisation since. I am sure that there are decent people screaming from within, waiting for the day when it becomes the independent and brave organisation that it was in the early '90s.
I can say this with a degree of hindsight. We know what sort of beast the media is now; a guardian of the establishment, rather than a guardian of the people, but that is not to say that we were clueless then. Two million knew.
The continuing instability in the region and current global terrorism is also a direct consequence of their actions.
Fuckwits.
It is, but please don’t think that this is anything but complete success for them. Destabilisation was always desired. Destabilisation makes dollars.
