Of course it’s the misogynistic connotations. Why is she a slag? Because she liked having sex? Doesn’t everyone?
I’m not one to preach or take the moral high ground but tbf Cherts, it was a pretty insulting comment
Also, this is in no way an infringement of your freedom of speech. You called someone a slag, and you remain free to do it. Just like I’m calling you a bell end for doing it.
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why ?
A valid point of view, losing any credibility by a stupid remark
… I was going to say ill considered remark but I’m not so sure
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Leaving aside the specifics of this particular case.
For me, this whole sorry episode has raised an important wider issue: it seems there exists a legal grey area in regard to the level of intoxication beyond which a person becomes incapable of giving informed consent.
I’m not talking about cases where it’s obvious that someone is totally hammered; I’m referring to that greyer area somewhere between and beyond stone cold sober and tipsy. Naturally, we all like to think that we know when our partners are too intoxicated to give informed consent, but do we really? I mean, unlike driving where there is a specific quantifiable point (at least in the case of alcohol) beyond which a legal driver becomes a drunk driver, no such quantifiable point exists beyond which two sexually consenting adults become a rapist and a rape victim.
Of course, if such a point did exist, how would we measure it? I mean, it’s not like someone is going to say ‘hang on we better get out a breathalyser before we go any further’. And, let’s face it, some people’s inhibitions are loosened after just a few drinks, so I can envisage a situation whereby a person who doesn’t appear particularly intoxicated could give consent but then feel the next day that they were too intoxicated to have given informed consent. It all seems terribly arbitrary to me.
By the way, I’ve deliberately written this gender neutral because naturally it’s applicable to both straight and gay communities.
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Ha! Big fan of JJ and he’s bang on the money on this one of course.
Only thing worth pointing out I guess is that just because its easy for a girl to shag around doesn’t mean that she’s doing anything wrong by doing so - although I guess that’s pretty much mainstream opinion.
(Although back the other way, she equally can’t complain if men who she’s keen to actually get into a relationship with then turn their nose up at her - which underneath it all, tends to be the real issue that a lot of feminists are complaining about when you get to the nub of the matter - as the number of men who really will go as far as to consider it immoral for a woman to shag around are quite low).
Yeah - this is the real issue. It puts the law (which, yes, should, ideally, be black-and-white with clear metrics) into totally subjective territory.
I guess the problem is (fucking morbid as this sounds), if you were to get a girl back to your room after a night out who didn’t want to go ‘all the way’, it would, horrible as it is to say, be very easy to rape her and get away with it. She wouldn’t be able to prove it wasn’t consentual and absolutely no-one would be inclined to believe her.
I’m inclined to disagree with things like mandatory consent classes at universities and suchlike but I do ‘get’ where the idea comes from. Consent is the issue that makes rape a unique crime.
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No, because she liked having sex with various partners. Big difference. Personally it’s something I see as a negative. As I asked above, what word should I have used?
Cool. I did apologise TBF.
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I haven’t really gotten involved in any of these Ched Evans threads. I’ve found the whole thing distasteful. Agree with intiniki and dinger that the means used to secure re-trial at acquittal weren’t great, and probably won’t help others that come forward.
The slag thing has bothered me since I was twenty; not that it wasn’t dodgy before. It was just the first time I actually got to think about it. What an ugly word. It’s counter-productive no matter which gender bungs the label about, a bit tragic when women do it.
One suspects that if the uptight people that “see [having sex a lot] as a negative” chucked the tag about less, they’d have had a lot more sex, and a lot less cause to get on their fucking high horse because they missed out.
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Again, speaking in general, and not referring to this particular case.
In essence, I agree with others that a court trial should stand or fall on its own merits, so to speak, and that it’s wrong to bring up a person’s previous sexual history … unless it’s entirely relevant* to the case in question.
For instance, if, say, my son stood on trial for rape and his accuser had a history of making false accusations then I would want the jury to know about it.
By the same token, if my daughter (if I had one) was the victim of a serial rapist I would want the jury to know about the accused’s previous history.
* I appreciate that judging this relevance is fraught with difficulties.
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Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
I think you’re barking up the wrong tree with that summary above.
I suspect not.
I think one of the problems I have is I am in a group of close knit friends (7 of us), and there have been various issues with some women of that persuasion that have seduced various members of the group and caused major ructions within said group.
Fuck’s sake, mate. Some women of “that persuasion”? What? Heterosexuality? Besides, infidelity is a completely different issue to promiscuity.
I also personally wouldn’t want to be with someone that has been with that many people, mainly because I think they’d be more likely to cheat.
Maybe in your case. I think much of it comes from insecurity though. P’raps afraid of not making a top ten list.
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Well, normally I’d just assume you were being facetious.
But I am happy to have educated you on this occasion, young man.
Infidelity =/= promiscuity.
Your little example was full of infidelities.
We’re wired to fuck. If someone isn’t in a relationship, they can fuck as many consenting partners as they like without attracting condemnation from these quarters.
I think it’s more likely, yes, and from the people I know who have cheated, it stands up.
Fair enough. You’re projecting your cultural bias and personal experiences to form your opinions. I can live with that stance, even if I think you may have arrived at faulty conclusions.
Personally, I think monogamy is an artificial invention, a mostly good one mind - we get more out of it than we lose from exclusivity, such as long term stability. It’s very much a decision that’s made in the brain, though. Even the most faithful will instinctively size strangers up for sexual compatibility. It’s what we’re designed for.
Originally posted by @Halo-Stickman
Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @cobham-saint
Originally posted by @Tokyo-Saint
Exactly! However one person (so far) has voted down my post showing they are not happy with a man being found innocent.
Plus, even if he is an odious twat, he has had his life and career wrongly turned upside down and pretty much destroyed. I am sure other odious twats on here would agree that this is a harsh punishment for being an odious twat.
Shit, sorry Tokes it was me who down voted you by accident - meant to vote up!
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry
‘Oops my finger slipped’ will not stand up in court.
I asked him to do that.
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Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @Halo-Stickman
Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @cobham-saint
Originally posted by @Tokyo-Saint
Exactly! However one person (so far) has voted down my post showing they are not happy with a man being found innocent.
Plus, even if he is an odious twat, he has had his life and career wrongly turned upside down and pretty much destroyed. I am sure other odious twats on here would agree that this is a harsh punishment for being an odious twat.
Shit, sorry Tokes it was me who down voted you by accident - meant to vote up!
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry
‘Oops my finger slipped’ will not stand up in court.
I asked him to do that.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, Goat.
I thought it best to cut out the rest of Pap from that photo until you’d done so.
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I’d only had two sherries and I insisted that it was just the two of us.
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Last year Mrs Hypo and I engaged in some heavy drinking before retiring to our abode. According to Mrs Hypo we partook in the old in and out initiated by a hammered Mrs Hypo. I remember none of it but it sounded superb. Question is- am I a rape victim?
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