I haven’t said that have I? As I pointed out above I have not mentioned numbers lost. And no. It wasnt rhetorical. I don’t know. All I have done is agree with you that I don’t think the war was won solely by Russia. I just find it interesting how reluctant you are to give them any credit. Even when acknowledging their sacrifices you qualify it by saying this allowed helped the allies and allowed the Americans to come in and win the war. How noble. And I can’t see any reason why Stalin wouldn’t trust the British can you? That’s rhetorical 
Oh I give them loads of credit, they were slaughtered and they were slaughtered by their own butchers as well as the nazis.
They were unprepared even with warnings (Stalin arrogantly thought he had the numbers and the Germans wouldn’t dare invade), they had no real airforce, navy just massive manpower with poor weapons compared to the nazis, some good tanks though.
They were cannon fodder but the Soviet Union was a totalitarian regime and they quite frankly didn’t give a shit about their citizens.
The Soviets were basically our enemy, we were democrats they were totalitarian barbarians, look at the way Stalin treated his citizens. The man was a cunt.
Again grudging respect. It’s hard work agreeing with you sometimes Barry.
Pre warning about the rest of your post. Thanks 
You do make a lot of shit up don’t you.
Who mentioned books? Numbers Barry, look at the numbers. You won’t need anyone to tell you once you’ve taken them in.
Why do you think i’m implying that, when it was one of two numbers i told you to look up?
The other one is the real tell of the the nation that done more to win the war than all others put together. @Goatboy has asked you about part of it at least twice. Why don’t you want to answer?
Before you comment again, look up the numbers. Oh, stop lying about what people said and definitely stop telling people what they can and can’t do, you little Nazi😂
What numbers? You keep saying numbers like you’re having a stroke and you’re repeating yourself, is there a fire above your eyebrow?
What numbers?
Lets talks numbers.
Look it up, i’m busy(and @Numptyboi is in the pub already. Bastard😉). It’s not hard to find and it’ll help you realise that saying America won the war is fucking idiotic.
Easy starter for you. What percentage of all German forces were deployed against the Russians? Go from there.
Convenient…
Where have I said the US solely won the war?
The % of German forces were deployed for invasion, expansion and holding, they needed huge numbers for this as the Soviet forces were huge.
I don’t know if you trying to be simple but your point means little.
Go and have a pint or two as it may help with your history of World War II.
Again come back when you know what you’re talking about and when you can post credible sources.
Are you denying that Russia played by far the greatest role in winning the war?
The war was won the day Hitler made the foolish move against the Russians. It had nothing to do with America, but feel free to ignore that reality.
Now you’re backtracking, show me the books that state the Soviet Union won World War II?
Hitler invaded (foolishly) the Soviet Union as he thought (obviously) he could win (he nearly did but the weather stopped him) this in turn created two fronts which from that point changed the dynamic of the war, it went from offensive to defensive for the axis powers.
A proxy war (race) then began in earnest to get to Berlin between the East and West, without the US intervention we’d be a very different Europe, the Soviet Union would have imposed communism all over Europe.
I’d direct you to books concerning Yalta and Potsdam but you’ve already read them…
I’ll also allow you to digest the US fought a two front war and won. (The US are the only nation that could fight two wars at the same time)
In simple terms, really simple terms, the moment the axis powers stopped they were fucked as they didn’t they relied on speed and momentum, they weren’t prepared for the invasion of the Soviet Union or an attritional war against them.
The UK has a large claim to say they played the largest part and the reason is resistance not victory, resistance gave the US a chance to enter the war, if we fell the US would have remained neutral and the whole World would look totally different and not for the better,
Japan, the Soviet Union and the axis powers would have carved the World up.
You’re talking shite and where are those book quotes?
I seriously don’t know why you’re bothering to argue to Barry lately. This is apostrophe-gate in history form.
The Soviets started the war with a weak, poorly equipped and purged of much of its talented officer class. To make matters worse, Stalin flat out refused to believe reports of the German invasion before the invasion, thinking it to be British propaganda or spycraft. To make matters even worse, he didn’t even believe the invasion was real when it was happening.
The Germans made huge gains, besieged Leningrad, almost took Moscow and might have done had attention not been diverted to the doomed city of Stalingrad. They went no further.
It took thirty million lives, but the Soviets started pushing the Germans back long before the Allies landed on Normandy beaches. The Red Army killed 3.1 million German soldiers during that advance.
At the end of the war, the UK had not really won. Bankrupted by the US during the prosecution of the war, the last cost was getting out of the empire business. The Germans were occupied by the Allied forces, not to be reunited for another 44 years, and still missing some lost lands.
The only true winners of that war were the US and the Soviet Union, both of whom emerged from the wreckage as superpowers. The US did particularly well, in terms of financial profit, relative lack of damage to its homeland, and its place in the new world order, finally supplanting the British Empire. That is not to diminish the heroism and sacrifice of its armed forces. It’s a simple statement of historical fact.
The Soviet Union emerged with an amazing military, satellites on its borders and in space, but paid a much higher price in terms of human loss of life and damage to property and infrastructure. I agree with Peter Hitchens on this. Regardless of what you think of the regime, the debt we all owe to the Soviet people of the 1940s for their part in defeating Hitler can never be repaid.
That’s all very nice Barry, but the simple fact remains, Russia won the war.
Go read a book(i’d advise one with figures).
Now that is totally different to saying they solely won the war?
They paid the heavy price, by fuck they did but if it wasn’t for the US where would have the Soviets stopped?
They were (Stalin and his cronies) a shower of bastards, conjecture and SOS is simply spouting shite in saying they won the war when there were so many factors in involved.
How many civilians died? What policies caused this?
The Soviet Union played a huge role in defeating the axis, they paid in blood many times more than anyone else, there is no argument there but they didn’t win the war.
Battle of Britain, Pearl Harbour, D-Day, North African Campaign, Manchuria and many others were vitally important.
I think you’re a bit of a simpleton concerning this.
The Nazis deliberately starved 4m Russian prisoners of war and the people that organised that(and many others) got to set up the cia in the same manner(now called sanctions by the murderers).
Imagine how offensive that must have been to the Russian people, but some think it doesn’t matter. There’s some fucking strange people about.
They did and they got their revenge, you forgot to mention that.
How many did Stalin kill of his own?
Have you looked up the percentage of the German forces deployed against Russia? Get someone to help you if you’re finding it hard.
Britain won the war:joy:
I’ll leave to your bullshit now. Let me know when you have a number(you don’t need a book).
What did the Soviet Union do to its Jewish population? The Estonians? I could go on and on.
Read some books, not conspiracy shit as you’re unhappy with World politics, some credible books.
No, I didn’t say that, I said there is a case their role was the largest due to prolonged resistance allowing the US to join the war, the Soviets were allies of convenience and they went against Chamberlain (he pissed around as well) when they signed and consigned Poland to oblivion, you forget that (probably didn’t know about it).
What number? You keep saying this.
Provide books and quotations.
Your posts are conjecture, ignorance and codshit.