Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
Perhaps I assume too much Bear? Perhaps I misread many of those posts and have done the posters a great disservice?
No, I dare say ppl are saying awful stuff on saintsweb srs, ur prob right about that
I am not sure why a response would âsullyâ this forum? You dont seem to have a problem responding on the other forum? is this more sacred for some reason? Anyway, you dont have to respond to my queries if you dont want to. I am sure you have your reasons for those unpleasant jibes aimed at me just as you have your reasons for not having a go at the SW racists.
I have been told that I am naive in political matters in the Middle East so I might have this wrong, but it seems to me that ISIS are no more friends of moderate Muslims as they are the West and that part of their agenda is to cause a bigger rift between Islam and The West. Looking at some of the posts there today it would seem that some are talking the bait.It appears that even ânormalâ Muslims are being hung out to dry because they dont inform the security forces enough about suspected terrorists. I imagine that ânormalâ Muslims know as much about possible terrorists as you or I do. Still, close all of the borders and keep any more Muslims out and we will all be safe and sound ⊠
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Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
If you say so Hypo. Funny that you never laid into the racists on the thread in the same way you did to me though. In fact I dont recall you going anywhere near them.
Iâve got some sympathy with what I think SOG is getting at; Iâve remarked on it before. I donât think Hypo is very brave over on TSW, and I often came away with the impression that he put perceived personal popularity ahead of consistency or integrity.
Its lucky I am not that way ha ha!
Excellent piece from Simon Jenkins in the Guardian here.
Heâs by no means a columnist who I always agree with, but heâs spot on here Iâd say.
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Yeah read that earlier, Fowlly.
Shame the reactionary mouth breathers, we know who, canât understand their reactions are exactly what these awful people want when they carry out these horrific acts.
Then again, considering the carry on on other threads atm. That should be no surprise.
I guffawed thenâŠ
Maybe good to remember that the ârefugees flooding Europeâ are doing so to escape these cowardly masked cuntsâŠ
âŠand cowards they are as if they were anything but, they would not wear masks in videos or bomb, but stand up to a fair fight⊠trouble is they obviously dont have the strength of conviction in their beliefs to meet that fair challengeâŠ
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Originally posted by @areloa-grandee
Maybe good to remember that the ârefugees flooding Europeâ are doing so to escape these cowardly masked cuntsâŠ
course they are, itâs so patently obvious to anyone with half a brain cell.
A great analogy I saw somewhere was, blaming refugees for attacks like Brussels is like blaming the homeless for housing prices.
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Originally posted by @Bearsy
Oi Jack i was just about to watch that Documentary cos I trust you bro, but I thought I would check that link first to make sure, and it goes to Wikipedia page, and the very first line says the bombing was done by some terror bros, and not by i.e. David Cameron like you promised me!
And as I said â the documentary is chock full of witness statements from the people who ran and participated in those âterror groupsâ â who all say they were working for Gladio / Secret Service, in order to terrorise the public for their own political ends.
The investigators, and Judges who convicted some of those Secret Service operatives for acts of terrorism and killing innocent civilians also confirm the story, (which is only one of many acts of terrorism by Gladio).
Simply put, for the last time â (as there is clearly absolutely no point whatsoever in my continuing to post in this thread) â Secret Service Agents, and a Prime Minister were convicted in a Court of Law for committing acts of terrorism and killing innocent civilians.
This is a recorded fact.
It matters not how many times the words âconspiracy theoryâ or âfantasyâ are thrown around â it does not stop the truth from being true, and a fact from being a fact.
Iâm simply wasting my time, and I donât have enough of the stuff âfreeâ to justify to myself spending it repeatedly having to explain how when someone is convicted of a crime, it is a matter of recorded fact, not a âtheoryâ.
I donât have a âconspiracy theoryâ that Adam Johnson has just been convicted of a child sex offence.
He has just been convicted of one â and that is a fact. Just like secret service agents were convicted of state-sponsored terrorism in a court of law, is a fact.
Equally when you have a whole bunch of dudes stating on camera, and backed up on record in parliamentary and court documents that they were state-sponsored terrorists for the secret service â it is called First-Hand Witness Testimony â not âfantasyâ.
Anyway, glad I could help out on the entertainment front for a while 
â but as it seems that the forum and I have such vastly different perspectives on what constitutes informed opinion, and this circular shite is ultimately taking focus away from what is yet another horriffic attrocity (regardless of who is responsible) â Iâm gonna stick to what I do best, and shut the fuck up now.
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Sorry to bang on Jack, but i have to be v.careful & i still think your trying to trick me somehow. Iâm only interest in the train bomb that killed 85 ppl - when you say documentary is ppl confess & convicted are they specific confess & convicted for the train bomb kill 85 ppl?
Please donât mistake Barry for the forum, and realise that Iâve got a fine line to tread in almost all departments. Deep in the bowels of Sotonians, there is a conspiracy theories thread, and if that doesnât suit, feel free to start your own.
Also, consider your treatment compared to that of others on TSW. Start a Gladio thread or something else with a bit of distance and I will contribute to that shit all day long. Itâs still hugely fucking important, with a massive bearing on why things are the way they are now.
I commend you for conducting yourself with considerably more decorum than I ever managed on day one, but equally, thereâs a time and a place, and Iâve had people that I previously thought perfectly reasonable turn totally menacing (not your usual suspects, and mentioning no names) because of their reaction to the time and place I chose to make my points.
I believe in freedom of speech. I am neither trying to curtail you nor patronise you, and for that matter, I think the record proves that most of us arenât jumping down your neck. This isnât a site full of conspiracy theorists, but neither is it one thatâll destroy you for espousing an alternative take.
Donât shut the fuck up, but equally, I reckon it might be an idea to explore the ideas with solid evidence behind them on a less emotive thread.
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Do you like Biscuits Barry?
Plain choc, milk choc or daringly no chocolate?
Not really a sweet toothed person.
Just for you Soggy.
The Middle East situation explained in one simple leaked email
A newly-released Hilary Clinton email confirmed that the Obama administration has deliberately provoked the civil war in Syria as the âbest way to help Israel.â
In an indication of her murderous and psychopathic nature, Clinton also wrote that it was the âright thingâ to personally threaten Bashar Assadâs family with death.
In the email, released by Wikileaks, then Secretary of State Clinton says that the âbest way to help Israelâ is to âuse forceâ in Syria to overthrow the government.
The document was one of many unclassified by the US Department of State under case number F-2014-20439, Doc No. C05794498, following the uproar over Clintonâs private email server kept at her house while she served as Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013.
Although the Wikileaks transcript dates the email as December 31, 2000, this is an error on their part, as the contents of the email (in particular the reference to May 2012 talks between Iran and the west over its nuclear program in Istanbul) show that the email was in fact sent on December 31, 2012.
The email makes it clear that it has been US policy from the very beginning to violently overthrow the Syrian governmentâand specifically to do this because it is in Israelâs interests.
âThe best way to help Israel deal with Iranâs growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad,â Clinton forthrightly starts off by saying.
Even though all US intelligence reports had long dismissed Iranâs âatom bombâ program as a hoax (a conclusion supported by the International Atomic Energy Agency), Clinton continues to use these lies to âjustifyâ destroying Syria in the name of Israel.
She specifically links Iranâs mythical atom bomb program to Syria because, she says, Iranâs âatom bombâ program threatens Israelâs âmonopolyâ on nuclear weapons in the Middle East.
If Iran were to acquire a nuclear weapon, Clinton asserts, this would allow Syria (and other âadversaries of Israelâ such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt) to âgo nuclear as well,â all of which would threaten Israelâs interests.
Therefore, Clinton, says, Syria has to be destroyed.
Iranâs nuclear program and Syriaâs civil war may seem unconnected, but they are. What Israeli military leaders really worry about â but cannot talk about â is losing their nuclear monopoly.
An Iranian nuclear weapons capability would not only end that nuclear monopoly but could also prompt other adversaries, like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, to go nuclear as well. The result would be a precarious nuclear balance in which Israel could not respond to provocations with conventional military strikes on Syria and Lebanon, as it can today.
If Iran were to reach the threshold of a nuclear weapons state, Tehran would find it much easier to call on its allies in Syria and Hezbollah to strike Israel, knowing that its nuclear weapons would serve as a deterrent to Israel responding against Iran itself.
It is, Clinton continues, the âstrategic relationship between Iran and the regime of Bashar Assad in Syriaâ that makes it possible for Iran to undermine Israelâs security.
This would not come about through a âdirect attack,â Clinton admits, because âin the thirty years of hostility between Iran and Israelâ this has never occurred, but through its alleged âproxies.â
The end of the Assad regime would end this dangerous alliance. Israelâs leadership understands well why defeating Assad is now in its interests.
Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israelâs security, it would also ease Israelâs understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly.
Then, Israel and the United States might be able to develop a common view of when the Iranian program is so dangerous that military action could be warranted.
Clinton goes on to asset that directly threatening Bashar Assad âand his familyâ with violence is the âright thingâ to do:
In short, the White House can ease the tension that has developed with Israel over Iran by doing the right thing in Syria.
With his life and his family at risk, only the threat or use of force will change the Syrian dictator Bashar Assadâs mind.
The email provesâas if any more proof was neededâthat the US government has been the main sponsor of the growth of terrorism in the Middle East, and all in order to âprotectâ Israel.
It is also a sobering thought to consider that the ârefugeeâ crisis which currently threatens to destroy Europe, was directly sparked off by this US government action as well, insofar as there are any genuine refugees fleeing the civil war in Syria.
In addition, over 250,000 people have been killed in the Syrian conflict, which has spread to Iraqâall thanks to Clinton and the Obama administration backing the ârebelsâ and stoking the fires of war in Syria.
The real and disturbing possibility that a psychopath like Clintonâwhose policy has inflicted death and misery upon millions of peopleâcould become the next president of America is the most deeply shocking thought of all.
Clintonâs public assertion that, if elected president, she would âtake the relationship with Israel to the next level,â would definitively mark her, and Israel, as the enemy of not just some Arab states in the Middle East, but of all peace-loving people on earth.
If Iran were to reach the threshold of a nuclear weapons state, Tehran would find it much easier to call on its allies in Syria and Hezbollah to strike Israel, knowing that its nuclear weapons would serve as a deterrent to Israel responding against Iran itself.
It is, Clinton continues, the âstrategic relationship between Iran and the regime of Bashar Assad in Syriaâ that makes it possible for Iran to undermine Israelâs security.
This would not come about through a âdirect attack,â Clinton admits, because âin the thirty years of hostility between Iran and Israelâ this has never occurred, but through its alleged âproxies.â
The end of the Assad regime would end this dangerous alliance. Israelâs leadership understands well why defeating Assad is now in its interests.
Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israelâs security, it would also ease Israelâs understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly.
Then, Israel and the United States might be able to develop a common view of when the Iranian program is so dangerous that military action could be warranted.
Clinton goes on to asset that directly threatening Bashar Assad âand his familyâ with violence is the âright thingâ to do:
In short, the White House can ease the tension that has developed with Israel over Iran by doing the right thing in Syria.
With his life and his family at risk, only the threat or use of force will change the Syrian dictator Bashar Assadâs mind.
The email provesâas if any more proof was neededâthat the US government has been the main sponsor of the growth of terrorism in the Middle East, and all in order to âprotectâ Israel.
The original source of this article is The New Observer
Copyright © The New Observer, The New Observer, 2016
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Excellent find, Phil. As youâll probably suspect, my thinking was always along those lines anyway, especially after some of the other accounts out there which have suggested that Iran was the end game.
The end game is complete control over the worlds oil supplys.
The recent drop in oil price has effectively shut down american shale production. but as America are not allowed to export oil due to the Jones Act this is not a problem this oil stayâs in the ground and they use it later. Oil imported to the US is stored in allready depleted wells in the southern states. so any drop in supply from the Middle East can be catered for.
China and Japan all rely on imported oil with Japan it is also minerals where do the cheap goods come from ?
Its a conspiracy I tell you.
âStop the World I want to get offâ
Some pointed out that my opinion differs because I am outside the Anglo-American âbubbleâ.
It is not my opnion that differs it is my perpective.
Sky & BBC World are out there showing people on the steps of the Bourse and lighting candles, Twitter people are getting arrested for inane comments and FB people are changing their profile pictures or posting pictures of Muslims saying we all stand together.
I also commented on the Syria Thread how much Muslim Countries are actually doing in the fight (especially compared to the West).
So my perspective keeps asking
How could the Belgians be told by the Turks AND as it is now known, the US that they had Terror Suspects in country and yet they did nothing? Again, Surveillance? Bugs? GCHQ style tracking bots on the internet? And it all came as a surprise?
How could an email from a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE have had NO discussion on Western TV or mainstream media? At least debunk it if it is fake, but otherwise it is a fucking big smoking gun.
Cynicism shows that the Media is pushing the emotion of the attacks, not researching details and facts.
Not ONE person questions WHY THE FUCK arenât Western Troops kicking 7 bells of sh1t out of IS. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANNIHILATED 3 or 4 YEARS ago.
Why is it being left to volunteers made up of Hairdressers from Croydon, Chefs from Montreal, and a rag tag bunch of Kurds & locals to clean up Bush & Blairsâ mess? (And of course those âVolunteersâ all get tarred with the âWent to Syriaâ brush) and no doubt because many of them are White Caucasian will spend their lives being bugged and snooped on, while the IS fighters wander round Brussels sipping Starbucks
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