Pap like the rest of the mock shock indignation brigade can’t see their hypocrisy, I have never seen him complain about
Its all context and agenda driven people are blind to that.
Pap I am past school boy conspiracy theories and accept its a shithouse World out there, you are clever enough to understand that, name me one clean Government? The extreme left seem to fly the flags of many nations with many human rights breaches but thats conveniently forgotten as it doesn’t fit in with the agenda, Afghanistan, Cuba, Sudan, Eritrea, CAR, the list could go on but I wont push the issue.
With glowing reference to the YouTube vids.
Brilliant points, Barry. Very well made. Would you mind if I copied this to use when I’m really in the shit in a future argument?
They are rather good aren’t they, no problems will do, watching Ross kemp at the moment, very sad indeed.
Originally posted by @Bearsy
I don’t like watching documentaries, i like bros to explain things on me, and then I fill in the gaps using my Imagination. Don’t act like uv got better things to do, JS, you just spent half hour trying to reason with Barry ffs.
Edit: Sry that was non-gracious.
No worries Bearsy, I saw your post before you edited, but I’d already overran my lunch, and couldn’t stay any longer.
I didn’t take your post that way at all, actually I laughed mate. 
Originally posted by Bearsy
If it is genuine fact that feds blew up a train + killed 85 ppl then I will watch the video cos that is interest, but if I watch it, and find out ur misleading on me, and it is not Fact, then i will not be v.interest, and I will be v.angar that you made me watch an actual documentary, so you had better tell me now srs RIP
It is genuine, but if you don’t like documentaries already, to be fair, this one is quite hard going to watch, and being from the early nineties, the picture quality is not good. If you do chose to watch it, I did give you that ‘heads up’. But having said that, for me and many others, when you care passionately about truth and justice, hearing important powerful first-hand witness testimonies is worth the effort and time to watch.
The Train Station bombing refered to in this particular instance is the Bologna Massacre.
A decent write up on the event is here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-terror-trail-that-wont-grow-cold-dark-forces-bombed-bologna-station-in-1980-killing-85-at-a-1509705.
In the BBC Documentary, you hear first-hand witness testimony from many of the people involved in that terrorism (and also many other acts of terrorism by these same groups), who admit that the ‘far-right’ groups responsible were actually created and ran by the joint-Intelligence Agency / NATO Operation - Gladio, and describe the terrible attrocities they committed as part of these Secret Service operations.
So yes Bearsy, it is genuine, but hard work to get up to speed with. So entirely at your own discretion.
Originally posted by TheCholulaKid
You said you were ‘keeping your powder dry’, Jack, That’s why I didn’t ask you directly.
Fair enough. 
Originally posted by TheCholulaKid
If I’m honest it’s your rather high handed and presumptuous manner that grates.
If any of my posts came across that way – then I apologise.
That certainly was not my intention.
I responded to the question – “Can anyone who believes in all these conspiracies actually show where one huge one has been uncovered and the people admit it?”
I did so, by offering a credible BBC Documentary chock full with scores of first-hand witness testimonies admitting exactly that, as requested.
I was then met with (laughable) evasive responses from our dear friend Barry, painting the factual contents of the documentary (he likely has not actually watched) with that old “conspiracy theory” brush. As that is inaccurate, I therefore felt it necessary to take apart those nonsensical replies, as Gladio and many of its ghastly activities are not “theories” – but matters of official record.
My intention is simply passing their knowledge on for anyone curious to actually look into yourselves, and hopefully gain a more informed perspective to draw upon.
I am sorry if my enthusiasm for bringing what I feel to be important information to light caused any offence. 
Lets cut to the chase its a Government collusion conspiracy with no proof, just because panorama did a show on it does not make it credible, it is their job to look at all angles, its a consiracy theory with no proof, in short all atrocites are perpetuated by sinister dark agents of days gone by forces and not terrorists?
You muddy the waters and the hatred for the state actually helps these terrorists, there are actually bad people with intent to harm the West, its not all our own trying to kill our own every time, grow up.
I supsect you’re same with 9/11, 7/7 Madrid and many more, its as sad as it is fantasy.
I think the Iraq intervention by Blair/Bush was actually a guise by Saddam Hussain to cause unrest and unseat himself…
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Meanwhile.
Back in the who fired Jack Bauer real world, I see that one of the terrorists in Brussels was arrested by the Turks. He was charged with Terror offences.
He was extradited to Holland then to Belgium with a HUGE sign saying TERROR SUSPECT pinned to his head.
And the Belgians let him go.
Which will then give rise to the usual “Oh yes but the Justice System” etc. Which is again a reason why these people always find loopholes or run rings. Probably find the European Court of Human Rights in that loop somewhere, No don’t keep a terror suspect under 24 hour surveillance, he won’t be able to claim his benefits without embarrassment.
Fighting a war is not easy. Fighting a Guerilla War in and amongst your own Cities is even harder. Then add in PC attitudes and incompetence stirred with a strong mix of people who’s only role in life is to keep their job.
Ain’t gonna stop the nutters like that Belgium
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Meanwhile
From 2012
Basically, a US Report heavily redacted says that the support by the West & other Nations supports the growth of an Islamic State (long before IS became a known entity.)
Likewise it says - Assad will survive & retain control - yet a few years ago YOU were planning to Bomb Assad in support of the “opposition” even though reports had indicated the make up of that Opposition.
Look, Jack’s Panorama Scoop may not be a smoking gun, and that particular story may be untrue. However the point still remains, NONE of this would have happened without Bush & Blair. None of this would have happened IF modicum of intelligence and research had been carried out into the real threats posed by uncontrolled Regime Change.
There but for the Grace of God Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria could have gone the same way - yet still the PC brigade rant about Human Rights & Democratic Process in Egypt (back under a Junta)
Every single muppet that blames Islam or Muslims instead of the real culprits keeps adding fuel to the fire.
And that IMHO is exactly what the US Military/Industrial complex wants (which at the end of the day has Washington under its control through Campaign Donations & Lobbyists)
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False Flag operations do happen. It’s like when I remember I’ve got a Mr Men Chocolate Yogurt in the fridge, and I go to eat it, but I find that its mysteriously disappeared. My automatic response is to blame the Bird. She is well known culinary terrorist in matters of i.e. dairy consumables. We have a big argument about it, and a high level investigation ensues, but typically, it’s hard to find real evidence, because, same as with Bologna Train Stations, most of the key evidence has been destroyed.
Sometime later, I remember that I ate the Mr Men Chocolate Yogurt last night when I got in from the pub. But I don’t man up to this. I keep this information clandestine + secret, and ignore any Freedom of Information requests. I sometimes feel a bit guilty that bird is sitting in Guantanomo suffering water-boarding etc, because of a Mr Men Chocolate Yogurt that I ate, but not so much that I would want to switch places with her RIP.
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Wimp
False flag operations have happened since the inception of warfare, its not new and will continue, an ACTUAL example I’ll give that is not some bedroom fantasy is in Northern Ireland in the 70’s and 80’s, many deeds were done properly and professionally by certain groups with a paid background not the UDA, collusion saved lives but was totally illegal, on the flipside some deeds were carried out by the UDA/UVF later on with information given by “rogue” agents.
These are false flag operations, others happened in Latin America, Africa but the thing here is people is they were against a political regime or system.
BUT. You don’t see the point that any alleged False Flag Operations in Europe could be against the political system?
Example “Boris Johnson’s Covert Ops” carry out FF actions in say Brussels. Already French talking heads on TV are “having a go” at the Belgians for being so shit and not taking the threat seriously - Shengen is again cancelled - two pretty big rifts in EU policy caused by (the actions of IS) but which actually strengthen Boris’s Brexit hand as the EU continues to tear itelf apart.
How can it then be such a large step to imagine that The US Industrial/Military Complex may not want to act to change the direction of Policy of a Regime in Europe? Or make them buy more weapons?
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Phil dont take this the wrong way (as if you could ) now I know you are married to a Polish young lady. Well have you been talking to her sensibly lately?
Every Polish person I know is a bit like Pap the conspiriscist they did it because? we are doing it because ect
This whole thing may be about a bunch of uneducated youngsters being brainwashed by there peers into doing shit that they have no real idea about.
Or I may be wrong and its Nena and the 99 red balloons all over again.
I’d say living outside the Anglo-American bubble probably drives many of DP’s views.
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Originally posted by @PhilippineSaint
Phil dont take this the wrong way (as if you could ) now I know you are married to a Polish young lady. Well have you been talking to her sensibly lately?
Every Polish person I know is a bit like Pap the conspiriscist they did it because? we are doing it because ect
This whole thing may be about a bunch of uneducated youngsters being brainwashed by there peers into doing shit that they have no real idea about.
Or I may be wrong and its Nena and the 99 red balloons all over again.
Lol. No this stuff is all about a bunch of numpties making the Belgian Security Forces look like the Keystone Cops.
I am firmly in the camp that US (and to an extent) the UK helped create Al Qaeda and IS - maybe not specifically provable as in they funded and trained them but certainly because of the circumstances they created through their alliances with the Sunni instead of allying with the Shia circles of influence.
To do a Jack then my evidence that this happens is of course simple - for Bear watch Charlie Wilson’s war or else google who trained & funded the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan and what did they become? Yeah, last decades’ bad guys.
Poland.
Hmm. Now that IS a tough call. They are a Nation that holds very deep Relgious roots. As can be seen in every village Church every Sunday with villagers standing outside during Mass because it is full. Their Church is a glue to their Society in a way that it is not in the UK.
The Chuch is part of their way of life and their Culture. So when they say they are worried about the influx of Islam they actually aren’t being “****ist” they are stating a fact.
Do I agree with them? Hmmm Let’s say I understand and no it ain’t my problem
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Interestingly I was getting a load of shit on TSW a couple of months ago on the thread about the Paris massacre. I was being asked by the usual suspects to say who I though the racists on the forum were. I can happily say that some of them have complelety outed themselves without my help either! Shame that Hypo isnt around though. He seems to have slunk off into the background now that there are more people standing up for moderate Muslims.
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Lol, I had a feeling who you were referring to.
Went and had a look, and the last post is by that person with an absolute doozy:
Pick any name you want for people that don’t want their towns and cities overtaken by Islam, doesn’t really bother me.
That’s not fair. I thought it was really important that Obama went and watched Baseball while Brussels was being blown up, and of course he should be allowed to dance the Samba with Michelle in Rio.
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