Brussels Terror Attacks

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Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

I said black operations have always gone on, but on this scale, deary me boys deary me, keep reading the novels.

Yes Barry, you did say that.

You also, having been presented with clear and unambiguous proof of the “admissions” you asked for – said: " not proven".

When the reality is – these things were actually Proven and people (including a Prime Minister) were _ convicted _ for some of the crimes mentioned (State Sponsored Terrorist Networks, large scale civillian murders etc.), in a Court of Law.

Which makes you look a little bit silly. But that doesn’t usually stop you, so why not simply carry on regardless.

As for…

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

I said black operations have always gone on, but on this scale , deary me boys deary me, keep reading the novels.

Hmmm. The kidnapping and murder of one of Italy’s longest serving Prime Ministers. Fortunately that was so “small scale”, or it could have caused a real widespread turmoil and panic in the country. :lou_facepalm_2:

Why rely on “novels” when actual real-life testimonies, trials and court convictions establish facts on the ground?

You also said:

Originally posted by Barry Sanchez

very very hard to do on a far far larger scale than that

Yet one of the Secret Service Train Bombings examined in the BBC Documentary, which killed 85 people and wounded more than 200 – evidently death and destruction on a "far larger scale than that" we’re currently seeing in Brussels, for some reason doesn’t count in your version of reality.

If you’re going to attempt the difficult task of refuting proven facts Barry – it is generally a good idea to approach doing so in a more comprehensive manner than blithely dismissing with a nonchalant wave of the hand said proven facts, as “not proven”. :lou_facepalm_2:

Anyway, I’ve made my point, backed it up with soild factual evidence, and shall leave it there. Have a nice day. :lou_lol:

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Did the Feds really bomb a train + kill 85 ppl srs? When/Why?

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Originally posted by @TheCholulaKid

Hmmm…Jack also refers to himself in the 3rd person.

I did so tongue in cheek – because, rather than simply ask me directly what I meant – you appealled for speculations from “third persons” as to what they ‘thought’ I might be saying or meaning.

Originally posted by TheCholulaKid

Jack might be fucking mental.

Regardless of the factual evidence I have presented – none of which was ‘my own view’, but rather the views of people responsible for admitted state-sponsored terrorism, blowing up train stations and killing hundreds of innocent people – I’ve never denied I “might be fucking mental”.

On the contrary, mixing with such a fine bunch of zany characters that regularly frequent the bastion of sanity that is Sotonians, one must indeed be slightly off their rocker to register and post in the first place.

Anyway – as I’ve previously made clear – I am not at this point “suggesting” anything. Merely establishing the precedent of past historical facts, that those who may have been unaware of, can use to take into consideration, and thereby benefit from a broader perspective in which to weigh and evaluate the potential causes of another horrible spate of violence against innocent civillians, rather than simply accepting the versions proffered by sensationalist headlines without so much as questioning their narrative.

I simply wished for this important prior knowledge to have been available to those who may not have been aware of these things.

Having completed that task successfully – I’ll sit back and await further developments before drawing any conclusions.

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Watch the Documentary Bearsy. That’s what it’s there for. :lou_facepalm_2:

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I don’t like watching documentaries, i like bros to explain things on me, and then I fill in the gaps using my Imagination. Don’t act like uv got better things to do, JS, you just spent half hour trying to reason with Barry ffs.

Edit: Sry that was non-gracious. If it is genuine fact that feds blew up a train + killed 85 ppl then I will watch the video cos that is interest, but if I watch it, and find out ur misleading on me, and it is not Fact, then i will not be v.interest, and I will be v.angar that you made me watch an actual documentary, so you had better tell me now srs RIP

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You said you were ‘keeping your powder dry’, Jack, That’s why I didn’t ask you directly.

I’m capable of questioning the accepted narrative, believe me. Having lived in Mexico for a number of years and having been witness to events that have then been sensationalised by a fully compromised and mendacious media I take everything I see and read with a pinch of salt these days.

If I’m honest it’s your rather high handed and presumptuous manner that grates.

Anyway, I guess this isn’t the thread for petty bickering.

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Show me these bombings? You are fucking mental lad, proof absolute prrof, thats what you go on isn’t it? You haven’t made your point you have copied and pasted something from the public domain, you probably think you are similar Falcone (a true legend) but it appears you are one of the tin hat brigade. Populist fantasy.

State sponsored terrorism for clarification my naive friend is subjective, proof of law is not, show me that.

Now please go and find that and we’ll continue.

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Can we please stop using mental illness as an insult?

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I called barry fkin mental on pg 2, pap, and you upvoted me for it RIP

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I called barry fkin mental on pg 2, pap, and you upvoted me on it.

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Have you watched the documentary, b? I’m desperate not to watch the documentary, but I also want to know the TRUTH!

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Sry it appears my phone has gone fkin mental

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You said what he was saying was mental.

It’s like the difference between saying someone is being an arsehole and someone is just a permanent arsehole.

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A minor distinction imo, pap

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Bear - a guided missile in MLG’s clothing.

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Originally posted by @Bearsy

A minor distinction imo, pap

It’s an essential distinction. We can all be complete fucking nightmares from time to time, and there’s a big difference between pointing out the massive and quite hilarious contradictions in Barry’s posts and having a sober chat in public with Barry suggesting that he might have Aspergers or something.

When certain people do this, they are trying to permanently discredit someone, to portray them as permanently broken without looking like too much of a cunt themselves. I don’t think that’s what your post was, and FWIW, I don’t think that’s what Barry’s post was, but that is what I am looking to avoid.

I’ve been on the receiving end of this when I’ve gone off the menu. I don’t want anyone else to have to swallow that sort of permanent tag, especially here.

I hope this clarifies things.

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yeah i know what you mean in that i.e the conspiracy loony tags they used to hit u with on saintsweb, that shit sticks & then gets dragged up every time you post, but i wanted to stick up for barry cos what he said didn’t strike me as Over The Line

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Pap gets radio rental as when he gets caught being hypocritical, I fully understand the position he is trying but failing to make, I’ll stop using that term BUT I certainly didn’t mean it in a way to offend.

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Not really but it was highly amusing reading that.

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Exactly what I meant.

With respect to Brussels, I haven’t personally looked for alternative theories and I think I’ve made it clear that I thought JS was premature in suggesting it, but purely from the sort of personal experience I have had when questioning narratives on day one, especially publicly. People are already enraged. The last thing they want is to see someone (in their eyes) capitalising on a tragedy for attention. My only exposure to the tragic events in Brussels has been the mainstream media. I’ve zero interest in speculating on those accounts now.

JS is correct to list Operation Gladio as a state-sponsored terror organisation that committed atrocities on its own citizens in order to curtail the development of certain political parties, particularly those on the left. The Domino Theory hadn’t been fully disproved at this point and folk were very worried that Soviet influence would creep across Europe if these groups got in. The Italian PM confirmed its existence in 1990, and there are numerous first hand accounts from credible witnesses that the clandestine groups did indeed attack their own citizens.

If Barry was inclined to watch the BBC documentary, he’d know this. That’s why I do reckon he was over the line.

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