Maybe I am, the reasons behind the killings are what is so tragic, its never ending and it wont end, there is no reasoning to it, it cant be talked down, it will continue.
Where as some plot written by a wacko is given thought, be real and fair.
Where as some plot written by a wacko is given thought, be real and fair.
Well, apart from the fact that America do have a death penalty so I’m not sure her point is as valid as it might be. And that America has little respect for laws when it suits them, see Guantanamo. And that the Americans do go around killing each other with guns in high numbers given that they’re not in a civil war, and the police join in regularly.
That said, I liked her.
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I think her point was respect of religion and laws overide religious processes, dont you agree?
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I reckon you’ve handled yourself deftly, although I can appreciate (as can you) why others get upset.
Do stick around on other threads. I’ve enjoyed your work.
Cheers.
Oh, I’m not planning on going anywhere mate, only giving this particular thread a break from me. 
I’ve accumilated almost as many posts on Sotonians in a couple of months as I had on SWF in about seven years. So that should tell you something.
I really like the place and like most of the people who post here, even Barry. 
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Considering that Europe was supposed to be on a high state of alert in recent months, an awful lot of questions starting to be asked about the effectiveness and competence of the Belgian Security forces & Judicial System (In ALL types of media Choula, including those down here)
Seems a senior official offered to resign but still kept his job.
Some very serious implications and questions going to be coming up
The Metro was still running 20 minutes after it was told to stop??
How DID Belgium manage to become home to terror cells?
Not going to cheapen the debate on this or Brexit, but surely part of the concept of the EU is that all countries have equal standards in ALL areas of State?
(A non FailT/orygraph link)
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The UK allowed a considerable number of groups that we would now call “Islamist” into the United Kingdom in the years leading up to 9/11. Following the Paris Metro bombings, planned in London by one such group, the French security services were livid with us, giving birth to the term “Londonistan”, since taken up by the likes of Melanie Phillips.
People asked, quite correctly, why the UK appeared to be harbouring so many people that were planning on committing atrocities. The French were under the impression that we had an arrangement whereby tacit acceptance of them on our shores was given in exchange for not having anything going off here.
There’s also a school of thought that our intelligence boys and girls thought this was an asset. Not only would these people be easier to keep an eye on, but it was also possible that they could be used for various intelligence purposes.
Objection, m’lud. Hearsay.
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Actually, all of the above seems quite likely. Some sources would be useful though (with the exception of Melanie Phillips obviously)
Over the last few years I’ve always taken the time to read pieces by Jason Burke. Here’s another good one:
Downvoted for being wrong, GB.
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I wasn’t particularly impressed with his recollection of history. How does one talk about the roots of the Islamic problem without addressing Sikes-Picot, or 1919, key historical points in today’s landscape? There is not one mention of Blair or Bush, and yet they are key modern contributors to today’s problems.
Worse still, he goes on to say that Islamists were “active in the 1920s”. Without the context of 1919, it’s at best, meaningless and at worst, dangerous. For Burke, it’s all down to this.
In fact, no one alive today did witness the coming of Islamic militancy. Its history stretches back 150 years or more, and its deepest roots lie in the internal debate within Muslim societies, prompted by their traumatic encounter with the militarily and economically more advanced European powers in the Islamic world in the 19th century.
Now if you wanted a version of ISIS which attributed nowt but vague historical blame to Western powers, Burke would appear to be your man, especially if you’d like to have all the places you could possibly be blown up enumerated.
On the basis of intellectual merit that piece was something of a joke.
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Klass, Marsh or Shaw though pap?
Er…probably working to a word limit/deadline, Pap. As a summary it did what it was supposed to do.
Have a look through any of his earlier pieces - you’ll find what you’re looking for.
Hmm.
It is a great and circular debate. How can one investigate the origins of “Islamic Militancy” without adding in a discussion on the role of the Turks (Ottoman Empire), and then all the way back to the Crusades & Holy Roman Empire… When did the actual word Militant come into use as it does today? There were certainly “Fanatics” long before the 19th Century… (As there were great Historians, Scientists, Explorers and Artists)
At what point did the expansion of Islam and the expansion of Christianity first clash? Was Sala’adhin a Freedom Fighter or a Terrorist?
Is this all Peter O’Toole’s & Omar Sharif’s fault?
In fact, no one alive today did witness the coming of Islamic militancy. Its history stretches back 150 years or more, and its deepest roots lie in the internal debate within Muslim societies, prompted by their traumatic encounter with the militarily and economically more advanced European powers in the Islamic world in the 19th century.
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The question is why are they so fanatical in so many numbers compared to other places on the planet?
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
The question is why are they so fanatical in so many numbers compared to other places on the planet?
The question is why were Catholics so fanatical during the likes of the Spanish Inquisition…
Why were Millwall Football Fans so fanatical in the late 70’s and 80’s.
It is about the “Preaching” and what happened to all the extremist Islamic Preachers during the late 70’s through to the 90’s?
They were “Persecuted” and arrested and thrown out of their country and? Sought Asylum.