Yeah, except within the Conservative party he’s always been very highly rated, and especially after a successful time as Mayor of London I think to a degree the buffoon thing is starting to wane. He’s played a very good game. To be fair, we all need him to be rated internally, as he’s the only one that will stop Teresa the Hun being next PM.
This vote to ‘out’ is purely political though.
If I were to rate Boris ‘internally’ I would rate him as ‘full of shit’ like the rest of them.
We love you Boris we do, we love you Boris we do, a conviction polictian, never thought this woud happen, brilliant for us!
He’s actually pro Europe, so a real coup for Galloway et al. Oh, and the Tory back benchers.
So he is doing it for a political career? Hhmmm maybe maybe not but this will hurt the in campaign, can yoi imagine in 100 years he’;; go down or could as the man who changed the course of British history, that is a prize over the leadership in which he’ll probably get anyway.
The EU.
A great amount of the EU is & has been a VERY GOOD THING.
IMHO, for the British (and Polish) Public, there are many parts that have actually been VERY BAD THINGS.
Personally, the Common Market has great benefits, yet it has also presided over and enabled the spread of Globalisation. (Some of that is good but do we really need a Starbucks every 10 metres?) What Europeans FORGET is that it has made it VERY MUCH EASIER for Foreign Comanies to do business, so it has actually impacted on “Local Business” It is one market for Americans, Chinese etc. So overall it has aided non EU business asmuch as it aided EU firms.
The ISSUE for me are the VERY BAD BITS. Everybody on here knows an asshole. A Narrow Minded opinionated idiot. Someone who is impervious to criticism or change. luckily we can ignore them or remove them from FB or Twitter. But there are parts of the EU that NEED reform. Parts where Technocrats KNOW BETTER what is good for THE PEOPLE.
For me, that is the root evil of Democracy, people who are career Politicos, who do what is needed to keep their job, rather than what the PEOPLE want.
IMHO the key concerns that the VOTERS of the UK have are NOT the same as the concerns of the CBI etc. Let’s go back to Market Traders being fined for selling a pound of Bananas. Go to the Daily Telegraph Archives and read Christopher Bookers 20+ years of diaries detailing EU insantities.
Being outside the EU, I can assure you that it is a great thing - from common specifications to Shenghen, to not needing to keep 30 different currencies. But is that actually enough?
Dave went to Europe and got a deal. It was a damned GOOD deal and he is to be commended for the work. The PROBLEM is that with Poilticians SO out of step with VOTERS (not the fooking Lobby Groups) Dave missed all the key things that Joe Public is worried about.
And that for me is where Boris just changed the dynamic. He simply stated what most people are concerned about. And then we switch to the Studio and a couple of numpties totally IGNORED that yet again and went off on their pre-learnt agendas.
Boris made a heartfelt decision. He actually asked the question that everyone else is asking. The STAY campaign is avoiding it like the plague because, as Dave discovered, the EU Turkeys won’t vote for Christmas and will NOT change. I doubt they will even change IF UK votes to leave and puts a gun against his head.
But the contagion has started, the Polish family have all said “wow” why is nobody else talking like Boris.
So, I love the EU, but it needs to be run by a BENEVOLENT DICTATOR, not by 100s of thousands of Grey Suits who know what is best for us.
A good day for Democracy, even IF you stay in.
Is Dubai Phil applying for the David of Sweden role for Sotonians?
Thats brilliant oh hold on a moment…
So in short I am an arsehole but one that is correct, my views on Europe are transparent, they hurt the worker and abuse their rights, tories on here use is at as a guise for free trade when its code for cheap labour. We need an honest debate not snide name calling,
Dubai was built on human rights abuses and still is, factual and not deniable so its a bit rich you spouting that from there.
I think he’s been in Dubai too long if he’s calling for benevolent dictators.
Boris prefers to sell off most of London to China. So maybe looking to a future union elsewhere.
What are you saying? That we’re going into partnership with China? Or maybe London will separate from the rest of the UK (it’s already richer on its own than half of Europe) and join China, like a new off shore Hong Kong?
Who knows what goes on in BJ’s head. 
When you write “BJ head” and follow that up with a picture of a cock, it does stuff to me.
Originally posted by @TheCholulaKid
He’s a cunt.
They are all cunts.
I join the “I really don’t know where I stand on this” party. 
I’m against being part of a European Superstate, which is essentially what the EU is designed for. A very slow-baked, sneeky, mostly somewhat subtle coup d’etat. Yet I do support being part of a trade agreement that has benefits to all, and makes travel and social integration a smoother experience.
I see all nationalities and “races” as essentially parts of one organic whole of humanity. I do not see myself as being either English, British, or European. I simply see myself as a human being, belonging to one rather large extended family of brother and sister human beings, regardless of where we all happen to have been born.
I support most things that seek to unite humanity socially, and help us to recognise and focus upon all the things that unite us and that we share in common, rather than those that would seek to separate and divide us.
Yet I do not support being dictated to by any person, corporation or entity that deems to set itself up as “having power over” me to decide what I can or cannot do with my life, or by extention, that which is done in my name, under the thinly veiled guise of (essentially fake) “democracy”.
OK so. Benevolent Dictator. Has a vision for what he wants as a legacy for his Nation and the world that his Grandchildren can inhabit. Is able to plan 10 years ahead not 4 years. Sits in a Majlis (Council) where any member of the Public may enter and express their issues
Democracy As it currently is. lobby Groups telling a career expense earner what is best for the people he represents and never listens to the will of the people (Jezza apart of course)
Both are simplistic views of course both have massive cons. Over here, inept or Corrupt Public Employees go to Jail. Not so common with people who work in EU back offices.
Neither are perfect but the UK system is a hell of a lot better than the back office in Brussels, there is SOME chance to influence that for the ordinary person
Is Dubai Phil applying for the Barry Sanchez2 role for Sotonians?
Originally posted by @Jack-Schitt
Originally posted by @TheCholulaKid
He’s a cunt.
They are all cunts.
I join the “I really don’t know where I stand on this” party.
I’m against being part of a European Superstate, which is essentially what the EU is designed for. A very slow-baked, sneeky, mostly somewhat subtle coup d’etat. Yet I do support being part of a trade agreement that has benefits to all, and makes travel and social integration a smoother experience.
I see all nationalities and “races” as essentially parts of one organic whole of humanity. I do not see myself as being either English, British, or European. I simply see myself as a human being, belonging to one rather large extended family of brother and sister human beings, regardless of where we all happen to have been born.
_Totally agree with this _
I support most things that seek to unite humanity socially, and help us to recognise and focus upon all the things that unite us and that we share in common, rather than those that would seek to separate and divide us.
_Totally agree with this _
Yet I do not support being dictated to by any person, corporation or entity that deems to set itself up as “having power over” me to decide what I can or cannot do with my life, or by extention, that which is done in my name, under the thinly veiled guise of (essentially fake) “democracy”.
Problem is that UK government is no different in this regard. Sometimes I just listen to what my heart says… based on the principles etc. There is a huge amount of shite that is wrong with the EU… and we will hear all of it over the coming months by the out campaign. I wont deny this where its true… I just hope that the likes of the Sun and Mail dont ‘make stuff up’ like they did with ‘Ba Ba Green sheep’ during their campaign to oust Ken Livingston from the GLC…sadly I suspect the full weight of the most undemocratic pile of shite propoganda from those institutions… and its why I dont think membership of the EU is something that should be left to the electorate… Because we simply wont be able to digest the FACTS… let alone get truthful and accurate reporting, so most will vote by their ‘gut’ feeling, in ignornace or by what their papers say.
I will not spend hours looking for the truth, I simply dont have the time and I also feel that referendum on this ia the biggest fucking cop out. We elect politicians to make fucking decisions and to govern… but this is classic Tory shite because they know how divided they are on this… too afraid to make a decison and stick it in their manifesto…
Ultimately I like the ideals of unity. If I am worried about undemocratic decision making then I can start by looking at Westminster.
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Yeah, except within the Conservative party he’s always been very highly rated, and especially after a successful time as Mayor of London I think to a degree the buffoon thing is starting to wane. He’s played a very good game. To be fair, we all need him to be rated internally, as he’s the only one that will stop Teresa the Hun being next PM.
This vote to ‘out’ is purely political though.
Boris’ one big trick is being one of the few high profile Conservatives that most members of the public won’t stab with a spear on sight. Okay, I’m taking artistic licence, but you get what I mean. He has the historical HIGNFY associations and has cultivated his image as a bumbler. The media also keep presenting him as a future PM, which probably won’t hurt him if that’s what he wants to be.
His time in London just showed him up to be something of a bully, and a poor judge of character. He had to sack several of his top team, meaning that he didn’t know them well enough. I do not believe that he has many allies in the party. Until his decision today, there was little beyond delivery that separated him from Cameron.
It’s probably why he made the decision he did.
Has Boris ever stuck his cock in a dead animals mouth?