I got banned from McDonalds worldwide for feeding pigeons in the seating area outside McDonalds Liverpool Street, but that was years ago tbh and I’ve been back loads time since, and they’ve never said nothing.
I’m always knocking one out in the milkshake machine, I originally call it the McWank.
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given that the remainers are doing just that, I think the brexitersshould be allowed to claim the upside if one materialises
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I never really liked the way Maccy Ds does its charity anyway. The missus tells me good things about Ronald McDonald House, the place where parents can stay if a kid is in hospital for a bit. However, I’m sure we’d hear even better things about those places if they weren’t surrounded by references to a ghastly corporate clown.
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Remainers are not avoiding responsibility for the consequences of Remaining. In case you missed it, the vote was to Leave
This is how you get me to vote non-Conservative:
Liberal Democrats will fight election on halting Brexit, says Farron
What election?
Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
This is how you get me to vote non-Conservative:
Liberal Democrats will fight election on halting Brexit, says Farron
What election?
Whenever it is, it’ll be “the election that gave Cherts a Lib Dem erection”.
Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
This is how you get me to vote non-Conservative:
Liberal Democrats will fight election on halting Brexit, says Farron
What election?
The one in 4 years time, some twelve to eighteen months after the Afticle 50 deadline has expired (assuming we sign the letter in the next 12 months)
So basically the Libs will campaign on reapplying for EU membership. Probably will cost us £350m per week by the time they have finished
That is not what i said / meant. The remainers are shouting told you so based upon the last two weeks. I’m saying that if the long term effects of brexit should turn out to be positive, then why shouldn’t the brexiters shout I told you so. Fair is fair.
i have made no mention of accepting or avoiding he consequences. Oh, I didn’t missed the verdict, how could I with the volume of wailing on here.
Got a link, Shirty?
This was my advice to them earlier in the thread.
Said they’d get a big bounce from it, and, potentially, play a role in a coalition government.
I’m just glad I’m no longer the one supporting a fringe party.
You are avoiding the reality of the vote though, unless of course, it’s some awful thing you can ascribe to the vote to float a “told you so”.
As I said before, there is a big difference between accepting blame for the decisions of politicians and firms, and accepting responsibility for the situation.
I wouldn’t expect anyone that voted Remain to embrace the new reality. I’ve been on the losing end of an election plenty of times. It’s not fun. There comes a point when you have to accept it though, and if politicians like Corbyn can get their act together on the issue, I don’t see how the refusenik position is tenable.
Originally posted by @pap
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I wouldn’t expect anyone that voted Remain to embrace the new reality. I’ve been on the losing end of an election plenty of times. It’s not fun. There comes a point when you have to accept it though, and if politicians like Corbyn can get their act together on the issue, I don’t see how the refusenik position is tenable.
I think you the Remainers a disservice - I admit I am a remainer (mainly 'cos it was the easier way), however, my perspective, probably because for my whole working life I have been handling exceptions, is now to go all out to find a workable fix.
Irrespective of being a winner or loser, it’s the next set of actions that should be uppermost now, not past ones. Past is gone, finished with. The fact of the referendum decision is the Present and Future is right around the corner.
Have to admit being a tiny bit excited to see what happens next in the, no doubt vain, hope we just might get something good out of this.
Bit like SFC and the transfer marker each year!!
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Sorry Pap. this thing wont go away, and I wont let you off that easy…
You have said that the referendum is different from a GE because… In a General election, you get to see ALL the proposed policy in a manifesto and therefore, you vote on based on how you feel on balance across all the various policies - in effect you make a compromise on which combination of policies best fits with your idology or principles. However, in the referendum, no one published what would happen next so the only thing you voted on was in or out. Is this a correct interpretation of your perspective, as that seems to be what you said?
You have also previously been quoted here as someone who believes that if you vote in a GE you must accept responsibility for all that the party does as you should take the time to understand their FULL policy before casting your vote and thus you cant isoloate the policy you approve off from the policy you dont - they are intrinsically linked… and if you can not reconcile this it would suggest abstention? Correct?
So this is where I am confused. If the Leave voters are not all thick, as you and others have suggested they are not and its a slur to suggest so, I must therefore, assume they are smart and able. As such they will have taken the time to digest ALL the campaign material, and lets assume even more intelligence, so would have known many of the short term and even medium term consequences of Brexit - even if ot published, indeed, in some cases even welcomed them? So surely if anyone had any concerns about some of the consequences of their decisions, or concerns about who they were standing shoulder to shoulder with, they could have abstained, as in a general election… because , as with a general election, if you cant feel comfortable voting for the whole shebang, its best not to vote?
Finally, lets go back to your defence that it was a simple in or out question and so is different from a GE… is it really? seriously? Last time I saw a GE ballot paper its only listed the names of the options for local MP, it did not ask me questions on all the policies, implications or potential pros and cons of that decsion… in effect a simple single decision… no fucking different form the referendum question…
You cant have it both ways, either voters were smart and able to make an informed decision, based on a complex combination of facts, in which case as in a GE, they MUST take full responsibulty for everything that happens as a result, or they were too dumb to understand the consequences, or simply did not care.
You now say you ARE taking responsibility, does that include ALL the shit that is now happening, including the ugly stuff? and what exactly does your responsibilty include/mean? how are YOU making it right? Sorry, they are just empty words Pap…
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The highest ranked search on Google UK the day after the Referendum was “What is the EU?”
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… looks like w will get Theresa May as aresult - someone who has consistenently voted against bills for equality, and ECHR adoption… 
- Fuck me, Despite his stupidity in allowing this ref, even Cameron looks reasonablein comparison.
I’m passed caring mate 
ok, to interject here, my General Election perspective is to discount that party that has policies that I (strongly) disagree with.
My referendum perspective was to reject all arguments I heard because from my own research I found what was presented to be dishonest.
I have utterly no doubt (and here I apologise because I will likely upset a lot of people here) that th e’great unwashed’ picked up on one or two things they liked the sound of or the struck a chord with them to the rejection of everything else.
I have to admit that what I have seen and heard in the last days has deeply hurt my sense of ‘Englishness’
However, to go back to what I wrote before, everything thst has happened prior to today is gone, been, finished.
If it was all based on a lie they we must pray that our futures are based on truth.
I am pretty sure that a lot of those ‘in power’ will have reviewed what has happened and said “…did we really say that? What were we on?”
So the government/parliament know they have made a rod for their own back.
On top of wich we know have all the powerplays going on.
(as an aside, if ever there was a time for a _ real _ coup d’etat, it is now!)
So, sorry guys, I have to tell you drop your bitching, your blame apportioning and such, it’s pointless, an empty argument. You would serve a better purpose by arguing over what is the best way forward , not over what should have been.
I would argue to close this thread and, if necessary, open a Brexit Way Forward thread - this one is just toxic now.
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