Have we not been over and over this ground? Lots of thick people who believed these misleading claims.
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poeple who voted Leave are best placed to answer this Pap
Iâm posing the question, ta.
Why do you think Leave fell for them?
Say it out loud. Itâll be some form of release.
If Remain had simply put it about that Euromillions Scratchcards wouldnât be available after Brexit, none of my demographic wouldâve voted for it. In many ways, itâs their own fault.
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I think people are saying itâs all your fault and youâre a thick argumentative cunt, Pap. Thatâs what I think theyâre saying.
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So true! Funny enough I was just watching the news with a man who was only a boy (13) when we invaded Iraq, now a refugee living in the UK. He was saying that his life was fine, a normal upbringing and he was happy, yes it had very bad areas of the country and a dictator. They left when the country was war-torn. He was asked what it would be like yo Ho back to Iraq, he said it would be terrible, it is just a war zone owned by IS
Was not sure where to post thisâŚ
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Originally posted by @Bearsy
Winding forward a hundred years, right, I think EU will succeed in their aim to make all member states same standard, which in practical terms will mean wack countries get more good, and gd countries get more worse, until they all end up equivalent to mean average EU country, or Portugal, to look at it another way. What weâll do right, cos of Brexit, is even if things go bad, weâll always be better than Portugal, except at football, and hair, and so weâll be #1 country in Europe!
Hope that makes some bros feel bit better srs.
Fuck me Bearsy, are you saying the EU will be some sort of socialist utopia?
Many people didnât understand the question.
Many didnât connect their own lives to the national economy.
A significant number were blatantly racist.
A few regret the way they voted as they didnât grasp what could happen with regard to their own money, the loss of EU funding, national security, trade deals, and even a rise in hate crimes as the far right wrongly took the result as a pointer that half the country is with them.
Many feel they were misled by the campaigns of Johnson and Farage.
Some are billionaire opportunist gamblers who love a recession - they are making a killing.
A handful are still pretending they are happy but you can see in their eyes they know theyâve fucked up.
A couple are still in denial about the link between their vote and the immediate effect of it.
At least one keeps standing up wanting to defend the campaign, and then moans because he gets people knocking him down with facts.
But we are getting what the country demanded -
A fucked economy that will trickle down into every trade and community, the withdrawal of workersâ rights, a legal system that needs decades of work, an NHS that we canât staff, and to top it all, we could soon become an irrelevant little island just off Europe.
No frothing, no hysteria, just my own honest summary - so if you are considering writing something childish in response, donât bother with the insults.
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We know one of those things ainât true.
I wish them good luck in dealing with the argumentative cunt.
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
But we are getting what the country demanded -
A fucked economy that will trickle down into every trade and community,
The global economy is fucked anyway and we sure as hell werenât making any progress unfucking it pre-Brexit
the withdrawal of workersâ rights
Pure conjecture IMHO even before the EU we had some of the best workers rights in Europe if not the world, has EU legislation actually massively improved what we had before? If a Tory government ever tried to get rid of workers rights you can bet any Labour opposition worth their salt would be all over it like a rash and the Unions would be non to happy either!!
Wouldnât happen under Labour either!
, a legal system that needs decades of work,
Why? Donât we already have a fairly workable legal system (14 day driving bans aside!!)
an NHS that we canât staff,
Before the EU cam along and stopped us employing people from outside of the EU it seemed to be staffed well enough by the Indian Drs (and other nationalities) that you couldnât quite understand but were bloody good at their jobs!!
and to top it all, we could soon become an irrelevant little island just off Europe.
Arenât we just that already??
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Originally posted by @Bathsaint
Possibly not outright, bare-faced lies but very misleading promises/claims that, to all intents and purposes are lies:
- Numerous claims that weâre going to see large falls in immigrations. Dan Hannan (Con MEP) immediately went on telly to say that people expecting immigration to come down will be âdisappointedâ.
Did he actually say come down or stopped? Ah :-
Hannan said: âFrankly, if people watching think that they have voted and there is now going to be zero immigration from the EU, they are going to be disappointed.â
I never thought that immigration would be stopped completely, we still need skills to come into the country. I just wanted us to have more control over it.
- Weâre going to have an extra ÂŁ100 million/week for the NHS. Lolololol
Whislt not ÂŁ100m Iâm sure that we can find some extra money for the NHS
- Weâre going to stay in the single market. Well, possibly but then we will have to have freedom of movement and pay for the privilege.
I donât know who said this, BoJo??, but even I know that that is not realistic without us being an EU-lite state.
- Weâre going to get our sovereignty back. Weâre going to have a new prime minister. This unelected leader could then theoretically hold office unopposed until a general election has to be called in three yearâs time. We still have the House of Lords. Unelected!
But, unlike the EU Council, the Lords donât make the Laws, they can only put them back to the Commons if they think theyâre shite and even then can be overruled.
- The biggest misleading statement ever â weâre going to save ÂŁ350m a week. Lolololol
I think this was disproved so may time by so many people that if anyone still believes it then they really are stupid
- Weâll remain a world leader in research and development. UK investment in science and universities has dried up since the recession, whereas the EU gave us ÂŁ7bn in science funding alone between 2007 - 2013.And weâre already facing new barriers to collaboration with European universities and research centres. I know as I happen to work at a university. Weâre applying for collaborative grants and our European partners are already starting to wonder whether itâs worth their while continuing with the bid process if we might, in a couple of yearâs time, no longer be a part of the EU.
I work for a University too, whislt Iâm not a researcher or a prof our VC has echoed the same concerns, for mine if youâve got a good enough research department and resources why wouldnât the EU use it?
- Leave promised we could end VAT on household energy bills. While thatâs possible, it wonât save us any money in reality because we rely on imports for so much of our energy.
Never heard this one to be honest.
- We arenât going to be a âgreaterâ Britain. Overnight the UK economy has already slumped from the fifth largest in the world to sixth. More than ÂŁ200 billion has already been wiped from the value of the UK stock market - or put another way, 24 yearsâ worth of UK contributions to the EU.
Stocks are paper money to be honest and are not worth anything until you sell them and then, as soon as you sell them, they start going down in value.
See what the DAX has been doing to the GBP ever since Brexit, selling it in vast amounts therefore devaluing the pound massively! Why? Who knows but it is that is causing the uncertainty in the market more than anything IMHO
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Do you believe our economy is stronger now BT?
Bearing in mind that if the glory days of free trade are just around the corner, why donât all relevant markets, the worldâs leading economists and the Bank of England share your confidence?
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
Do you believe our economy is stronger now BT?
Bearing in mind that if the glory days of free trade are just around the corner, why donât all relevant markets, the worldâs leading economists and the Bank of England share your confidence?
Seriously, RB, no I dont but then I donât see quite as bleak a future as you portray, maybe itâs the optimist in me maybe iâm naive as fuck <shruggy emoticon thingy>
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The remainers must be a right barrelful of laughs, puns and gags at the moment, Iâm excited for the future, nearly as excited as wheh I saw Hazell Dean in Bracknell in 1988.
Donât worry about us re-moaners. I have moved on to being appalled and outraged at black men being killed by police officers in the US.
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I havenât moved on and am also appalled by the killing of that man.
George Galloway has been very good on question time tonight.
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I have seen Galloway speak a few times. I never want to because I cannot stand the man but he does come across well at times and is a good speaker.
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Originally posted by @BTripz
Originally posted by @Bathsaint
- The biggest misleading statement ever â weâre going to save ÂŁ350m a week. Lolololol
I think this was disproved so may time by so many people that if anyone still believes it then they really are stupid
The ÂŁ350m per week claim was repeated again and again in the campaign. I heard it several times on PPBs from Vote Leave on Radio 4, for example. âVote Leave to take back the ÂŁ350m per week that we give to the EU.â (not quite verbatim, but fucking close).
You may think that this was disproved, and Iâd agree. It was - many times. But an old rule of politics is that if you repeat something enough it tends to stick. This one did. People did believe it.
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I have convinced my work colleagues that one of the team used to manager a shoe shop, simply by repeating it endlessly with confidence. Iâm not sure why Iâve done that bit thatâs not important, the point is, people will believe anything if it is said to them often enough with authority.
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Fatso - thatâs the trademarked method for bringing up Cobham Saintsâ Teenage Mutantâs - Believe me it doesnât workâŚas my bank balance will tell you.