Now I can remember Pap listing some stats where democracy has failed and a revote has taken place, until the ‘right’ result has happened. Now this is not the correct way of doing things in the eyes of democracy, but in the end if there is another vote and it turns out remain, then is that still not democracy, as people did not know the full facts and were lied to before the last vote?
If there is another vote and it is leave again, then we are done!
I certainly did, but to be fair to the chief members of the European Union, they’re not entertaining it. The only people treating it as a realistic possibility are disappointed Remain voters, aghast at what they see the UK as now. Remainia. The dystopia they’ve only just noticed now we’re out of the EU. I can’t claim the term - it’s Paul Mason’s, I think. He voted Remain through gritted teeth, not tricked by a bus or prey to the fear-mongering of the Remain case either.
Revotes… Undemocratic? Well is it not just a question of time? After all how is a referendum different to a general election where folks change their mind and can vote out a shit Government after 5 years…?. And therein lies the problem. we can’t just see how it goes for a few years and then change our minds - so naturally it’s NOT the same as the usual lies and crap manifesto rubbish we get before a GE. This is far more life changing and longterm so how the fuck can there be any intelligent person who is happy that the deciding vote was in effect cast by fucking numptucunts hellbent on keeping ‘dark’ folk out of Britain or fucktards who who believed the 360million lie?
seriusly - Is democracy really upheld under such circumstances ?
pap , you once went as far as to suggest that the Eu commission was democratic because it was unelected and we had no voice in what they govern… So how is it democratic that after being lied to, the people have no voice in how we go foward in Europe…?
Murdoch was all pally with Farage at a recent garden party and still you feel that this blatant media control of the situation is democratic??? FFS how can you? Just because it was the result you wanted to satisfy your principles, does not make that right… Or democratic - you know it, but will never admit it…
I’m laughing at the desperation here, there is no argument here, no discussion , we are out you fannies and thats it. But but but its not fair, they’re stupid and have been fooled, maybe my little children but thats by the by.
The remain should firmly point the finger at the youth who at 64% couldn’t be arsed to turn out, now the little bells are all over the shop marching all over the gaff, whoppers.
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
I was less impressed with the poster who made up a story to impress people on here, something I personally know was absolute bollocks.
Nice try, but they picked the wrong subject matter, some of us are informed.
It told me much about them.
fk u a lot of the stuff was confirmed by adam blackmore and the odd bit that turned out wrong was just cos source got bit carried away not made up u cunt
All of us may have been lied to, deceived, made the ‘wrong choice’, whatever.
Doesn’t ammter if you’re in or out - all of that is largely irrelevant.
Why?
Because our leaders have betrayed us by not having a Plan R and a Plan L in place (well, not that I can see) for whatever result came about so the associated negatives were minimsed. That is basic government and they failed.
At the time the referendum was announced, there should have been two defined and cross-party accepted paths down which we would have gone. Instead, all we got was bitching, bollocks and powermongering.
How we have been dumped in it by those we elected is tantamount to treason, how a country can be left in a position where it has no apparent idea how it is going to move forward is laughable.
So get all your power plays done, get your leaders/scapegoats in place, your backslapping and backstabbing doneand then do what you got elected for, and show us
WHAT THE FUCKING PLAN IS!!
You can’t plan a negotiation, or at least, you can only plan half of it.
When you negotiate you plan for a win and for a lose, or a Remain or a Leave - it’s simple contingency planning at it’s most basic
There should have been no shock after the referendum, just a ‘switch to plan x’
Has there been…?
Originally posted by @Bearsy
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
I was less impressed with the poster who made up a story to impress people on here, something I personally know was absolute bollocks.
Nice try, but they picked the wrong subject matter, some of us are informed.
It told me much about them.
fk u a lot of the stuff was confirmed by adam blackmore and the odd bit that turned out wrong was just cos source got bit carried away not made up u cunt
Nice callback 
How’d you mean? The course of action is pretty clear ain’t it, you gotta negotiate new trade deals and whatnot. I don’t see how they could’ve done that beforehand tbh. They prob thought about it anyway and decided, nah, if we lose we’ll prob just jack.
I believe the Bear in trying to be clever has probably confused one or two - so I did mean a business story that was fabricated to support an argument…and it wasn’t by Pap, even though he seems to have veered to the right of Thatcher in the last week.
I thought it was quite clever (but then again I have a 14 year old mind stuck in a 37 year old body), was nice to read something on this thread that made me smile, and if Bearsy had made his response a page and a half long I might even have chuckled 
It makes me laugh how people who are disappointed with the outcome keep banging on about how they were lied to and how unfair it is as some sort of basis for a revote…everyday for the last six weeks before the referendum I got fed up with hearing on the news all the negative spin about how we were doomed to oblivion if we voted to leave.
There was far more ‘spin’ from the remain side than vote leave in my opinion, but even so, I took what both sides said with a certain amount of scepticism and voted accordingly. Whether it’s the right decision or not in the long term I don’t know 100%, as does no one when they vote, but it’s a vote I was comfortable with at the time and still am…I never expected Britain to vote leave and was more than prepared for remain to win and to accept it, what I didn’t expect was the vitriolic response from a certain section of remainers which has been quite childish and disgusting to be frank.
Should there be a revote?, ofcourse not, and I would have said the same thing if the result had gone the other way. It should be recognised though that the result wasn’t a landslide and there are many people unhappy with the decision.
I think Mike Tyson once said
“Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face”
Quite. No one is mentioning the £4,300 cost to each household stat that the remain camp was throwing about. Presented in a grossly misleading way.
oh, has Northern Ireland destabilised yet?
have the French thrown away the border control in Calais?
For the people I know who are losing their jobs the cost will be a lot more than £4,300. I have not met any yet who think the Remain warnings were grossly misleading.
Well this committeeof MPs did, at the same time as they were criticising the£350m pw claim. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/misleading-eu-referendum-campaigns-treasury-select-committee-report
the remain camp were messaging it in such a way that is gave the impression that every single household would be £4300 out of pocket. That was wrong or to use the parlance on here, a lie.
with regards to people losing there jobs, that is always a tragedy whatever the reason.
This is concerning
It’s not just the universities per se that could be affected. It’s the knock-on effect on spin-off companies from university research programmes and the supply chain too.
My OH works for an Oxford University spin-off researching into novel drugs for the treatment of allergies and asthma and our country is renowned for drug development. What a shame for everyone if such research is compromised
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
I believe the Bear in trying to be clever has probably confused one or two - so I did mean a business story that was fabricated to support an argument…and it wasn’t by Pap, even though he seems to have veered to the right of Thatcher in the last week.
I’ve had enough of this.
We’ve all read that you, personally, are losing money now.
It’s fairly clear from your posts that you blame me, personally, for that and whatever else that is pissing you off about the EU referendum, and you’ve decided that my politics are to the right of Thatcher.
Great work.
That’s precisely why I’ve spent the vast majority of my week (and a good part of this year) campaigning for the polar opposite.
Ramification of Brexit; Rallyboy loses all sense and reason.
I thought you’d like that.
