Ha ha that shithole is scruffy but nothing compared to the Lancashire mill towns and Yorkshire mining ones, the tagline the North remembers made me chuckle, its true as well, these places are places the tories didn’t want to know and labour abused their vote, what choice did they have, current shit or a possibility of it being better? It couldn’t get any worse for them, this is what people don’t get, they simply don’t understand that out in the big wide World there are some seriously genuine run down places, don’t worry they aren’t really south of Brum, you are safe.
I have worked in both Burnley and Oldham and I can confirm that they are indeed massive shitholes. I did have a good night out in Oldham though which ended up at the bar at Oldham FC. Michelle Marsh. Yum.
Oldham does have a good pub scene to be fair, proper divided town though.
6-0 away, all open play. About 300 of us there in the snow. Yep Oldham is great 
Andy Burnham tweeted this.
It appears that not only was there no post-Brexit planning whatsoever on the part of the government.
The civil service was told not to plan for it.
Of course there was. They need to look in the Filing Cabinet marked “Post Iraq Invasion Plans”
Oh
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I think that many of us had, shall we say, an inkling that Cameron was never serious about leaving the EU.
To actively tell the civil service not to plan for it? Not only is it hugely irresponsible, but it illustrates the entire attitude to this poll and confirms something I wrote about referendums.
They’re not designed to allow the public to decide anything meaningful. They’re there to rubber-stamp a pre-agreed course of action. The stamp run fresh out of ink this time.
How much of the short-term economic crisis is down to the government having no fucking script for it?
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I was talking about this last night with Mrsfcsim. We were talking about today’s teachers strike, where there has not been any attempt on this occasion to negotiate with the NUT, not any contat at all. It seems that everything else has been placed on hold, because the govrnment are all over the place with leaving the EU.
Oh Theresa May did come out and say that the strike would have an impact on childrens education and would disrupt parents every day life. Well done Theresa, have a biscuit… thats the idea!
Bletch would give her a soggy biscuit
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Originally posted by @pap
I think that many of us had, shall we say, an inkling that Cameron was never serious about leaving the EU.
To actively tell the civil service not to plan for it? Not only is it hugely irresponsible, but it illustrates the entire attitude to this poll and confirms something I wrote about referendums.
They’re not designed to allow the public to decide anything meaningful. They’re there to rubber-stamp a pre-agreed course of action. The stamp run fresh out of ink this time.
How much of the short-term economic crisis is down to the government having no fucking script for it?
Whether you voted ‘remain’ or ‘leave’ in the referendum, I think most people would agree that the handling of it by Cameron has been a complete clusterfuck.
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Originally posted by @saintbletch
The answer regarding his claims about Cameron’s deal, is that I don’t know off the top of my head.
I think this is definitely an area of subjectivity.
The results of Camerion’s renegotiation are analysed here:
here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105
and here
I’ve skimmed the Guardian and BBC reports and they seem to suggest that there was substantive movement from the EU to our needs, but they also recognise that in other areas Cameron didn’t get what he wanted.
I’d be interested to see what you feel.
OK, I have read the Telegraph and the BBC articles and it appears that the good Prof may be guilty of overstating the concessions that DC “won”
What Cameron wanted: Allowing Britain to opt out from the EU’s founding ambition to forge an “ever closer union” of the peoples of Europe so it will not be drawn into further political integration in a “formal, legally binding and irreversible way”. Giving greater powers to national parliaments to block EU legislation.
Bob’s Understanding: Reading the articles this means that if 55% of National Governements decide something the (unelected) EU Commission wants to implement is bad then they can veto it. This sggests that we need closer alliances with other governments, in reality 55% of governments vetoing something by the Commission is unlikely to happen. The part about the UK not being a closer part of the Union is being enshrined in the next re-writing of the treaty, not really a massive gain
What Cameron wanted: An explicit recognition that the euro is not the only currency of the European Union, to ensure countries outside the eurozone are not materially disadvantaged. He also wanted safeguards that steps to further financial union cannot be imposed on non-eurozone members and the UK will not have to contribute to eurozone bailouts.
Bob’s Understanding: So the UK is now exempt from bailouts when the Euro goes tits up, a la Greece. In reality we made so much noise last tiem that we didn’t have to pay anything anyway but hey infuture we don’t have to bail out the EU and we get some recompense if if EU funds are used to prop up the Euro. However
But Mr Cameron ran into unexpectedly firm resistance from France on financial regulation. The French wanted to underline was that Britain would not win any “exceptions to the rules of the EU” - particularly in relation to regulation in the City - hence the addition of the “level playing field” line.
Mr Cameron got his explicit recognition that the EU has more than one currency - but it does not go as far mandating “multiple currencies”.
So give with one take back with the other
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Would still like him to do a vid on the lies and over-exaggeration from the remain camp in the interests of balance!
Originally posted by @Sfcsim
I was talking about this last night with Mrsfcsim. We were talking about today’s teachers strike, where there has not been any attempt on this occasion to negotiate with the NUT, not any contat at all. It seems that everything else has been placed on hold, because the govrnment are all over the place with leaving the EU.
Oh Theresa May did come out and say that the strike would have an impact on childrens education and would disrupt parents every day life. Well done Theresa, have a biscuit… thats the idea!
Theresa May can poke that biscuit right up her arse. I’m on strike today because of the fucking scandalous funding cuts.
I’m looking forward to NASUWT joining in at some point too to really inconvenience everyone - maybe people wil sit up and take notice then. Fuck the Tories and fuck their unnecessary cuts that are damaging the life chances of millions of children.
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Debatable as to whether they could have influenced it at all and the BoE immediate response was probably what would have been the plan for Brexit anyway, if they had made one.
In defence of Cameron, it would be difficult planning for a Brexit as there would be more than one scenario that could have / will be played out. However, he did state that he was going to remain as PM, even in the event of a Leave vote, so it should certainly have been considered with a plan for political response from the Cabinet. Instead he was the first to throw his dollies out the pram, which is hardly helpful.
Not having a workable brexit plan was one of the key arguments to stop ppl voting brexit ffs. It would be v.dumb of Remainers to make such a plan, so they Didn’t.
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So it appears that Zoopla is behind the Mishcon De Reya Anti-Brexit Legal Action
Don’t quite know how the article comes to this conclusion :-
If the referendum had been decided by FPTP, Leave would have won 440 seats to Remain’s 220. Good luck…
Yeah, John McClane tried the same thing when his missus went off to work at Nakatomi Plaza. He stayed in New York.
“Why bother to pack, right?”
Not only did it not work, but he only gets a shag at Christmas and has to foil large terrorist plots to do so.
People should think things through.
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Kate Hoey @ KateHoeyMP 11h11 hours ago
When will @ BBCNewsnight stop trying to re run the referendum and accept that Leave means Leave!
Legal wrangle brewing as to whether Parliamentary approval is needed to invoke Article 50. Some say yes, others say no. Most seem agreed that Cameron not issuing the notice on the day of the referendum result was a serious failure. Perhaps he did have a plan and that was to look like he didn’t have a plan?
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People have to accept the EU now want to move on and rightly we aren’t part of their plans and they accept the result.
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This is like the longest break up ever :-
UK I don’t love you anymore but I’m not sure.
EU Well you have to decide I can’t put my life on hold for ever you know and I have needs
UK Can we leave it a couple of months for me to make my decision, I’m really not sure…
EU No!
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