:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

Reasonably serious discussion
6858

Barry, please read the post for context - consider ‘exploit’ a tongue in cheek comment - it really is very simple - allowing those from countries we have exploited, the opportunity to live and work here to better their lot - it was in reference to our former colonies/Commonwealth etc…

I was ‘debating’ at what point/criteria our ‘obligations’ might cease, or whether as a true socialist, such issues matter not, that all with a desire to better their lot should have opportunity regardless of where they come from…

6859

For your “context” I read a cheap snide shot and its ok for us to be exploited as we exploited years ago?
How is that progressive and how is that humanitarian?

Pathetic.

6860

If you say so Barry, if you say so , it must be so… What is pathetic is your inability to comprehend a simple point - a simple question to our socialist friends, where does your compassion stop?

6861

Compassion doesn’t stop, neither does a national interest.

6862

To be fair to the Germans, it’s less extreme than some of the stuff they’ve done in the past.

6863

Give them their dues, they are trying to stop the French and Spanish playing silly buggers at the 11th hour

6864

Yeah, but May is also seeking concessions too. I just found it an amusing demonstration of where power actually lies in Europe.

In related news, I do find May’s present “no Brexit at all” threat a little shite. Does the Prime Minister really intend to ignore 17.4m to whip her MPs into shape?

6865

Time for a poll.

Do you support Theresa May’s Brexit deal?

  • Yes
  • No

0 voters

6866

No, because I don’t support leaving the EU.

6867

Given the choice of her deal or no deal, where would you stand?

6868

That wasn’t the question. Has @pap been taking lessons from the Tory Muppet’s who set the original referendum question?

6869

Fine.

We can always ask another.

What’s better?

  • Theresa’s Deal
  • No Deal

0 voters

6870

No, because it makes us more beholden to the EU without being able to do anything about it… That was in reply to the first poll.

6871

It was my question - out of interest as to what a remainer would choose as opposed to any point scoring

6872

In that case I’d prefer May’s deal to no deal. Most likely deal to force us back in altogether in 10 years.

6873

That’s not true though, is it. As a remainer, presumably you follow the “it’ll be a disaster if we leave” line. Therefore the best you can hope for is the worst outcome when we leave, which is more likely to propel us back into the land of milk and honey that we’re abandoning than a trading deal which might mask what a disaster it is. Or something.

6874

Yes, but I also have to put the lives of the poor into consideration - if we leave and it’s a disaster, the poor will get considerably poorer, with only the disaster that is universal credit to keep them going. Personally I can’t find it within myself to accept that kind of collateral damage.

6875

It’s the poorest areas which voted to get us out. Most of the affluent areas voted to stay.

6876

So? A lot of the poor vote for the Tory’s even though it is bad for them. What’s the relevance? They voted out, so fuck them, hope they die?

6877

Quite. Chertsey is just the latest incarnation of an identity that has consistently cared about the poor. See also; Unbelievable Jeff and Dibden Purlieu Saint and you’ll know he really cares.