:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications
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#6157

https://news.sky.com/story/live-juncker-gives-final-state-of-eu-address-before-brexit-11495703


#6158

“You cannot pick and choose”

You MUST OBEY

Remainers be like “Yes, okay, Mr Juncker. Would you like some ice in your drink or a few more Greek futures to put on the fire?”


#6159

TBF - we knew we couldn’t be in the single market - that’s been on the card for ages. However, paying for access to the markets is likely to happen.


#6160

What is interesting is that he has said

  • Majority voting on Tax
  • Majority voting on Foreign Policy

Another step towards complete union

This has been the entire project, from its conception in the 50s to now. Baby steps. They are playing the long game. Always have, always will, with a view to full integration.


#6161

You’ll never get agreement on unified tax without more subsidies, Ireland would sink into the sea as would many other nations.

Pipe dream.


#6162

That is true - to have a linked tax system you have to align every area of fiscal and monetary policy, as well as ensuring each part of the EU is invested into in a realistic and fair way. You also have to devolve all the responsibilities from the local countries Governments, or you’re just adding another level of decisions and bureaucracy.

If that is what they are trying to do (and it’s a bif “if”), it’s an unrealistic pipe-dream and we’re much better off to be out.


#6163

Not really shocking as the numbers have been rising steadily for years. However, this has less to do with “low wage migrants taking all the jobs, like” and much more to do with decreasing numbers of British youngsters entering the industry as trainees and apprentices. The gap was happily filled by EU workers who, in the main, have a good work ethic and are happy to live here, work and contribute. The reasons why there are fewer Brits coming into the industry are many and varied - there is no one specific reason, but EU migrant workers were responding to a call and, by and large, they’ve been successful. whilst there are a good deal of really decent Brit tradesmen and women, there are too many with a bad attitude and poor work ethic. I’ve seen it over many years on my sites.


#6164

Apprenticeships disappeared because a million construction workers turned up fully trained, and willing to work at a lower rate than the domestic workforce.

I can remember shitloads of people I knew being priced out of the market a decade ago.


#6165

@pap The CEGB Central Electricity Generating Board phased out Apprenticeships in 1982 before being sold off by the incumbent government.

Some parts of it may now be giving apprenticeships again but they will only be three year and not the four or five years you had previously.

You cant learn a trade in 2 to 3 years it takes a lifetime and some of us are still learning because you IT people keep changing things :slight_smile:


#6166

Don’t agree with this at all. Apprenticeships started to disappear with the rise in self employment, promoted in the 1980’s, which led to subcontracting becoming the norm and a subsequent lack of investment from Companies in training young lads / lasses. The decline has been gradual since then. Just look at the average age of the Brits on any site - 40 to 50 - the problem has been going on for a long time and is not as a direct result on EU migrant workers.

Combine this with a fragmented industry unwilling to invest in its future, snobbery towards, and a false perception of trades and a generation of youngsters choosing between freezing their bollocks off on site laying bricks or working in an office on a PC, then it’s no surprise.

Despite your assertions, most EU construction workers were, and still are, employed in the areas of the industry that require less formal training and qualifications. They also didn’t work in the domestic market until relatively recently when they have set up companies themselves, but on large, usually very large, sites for contractors as labourers or for large subcontractors. I have yet to meet a Polish Gas Engineer or Sparky but there are plenty of chippies, groundworkers and labourers and bloody good lads most of them are too.


#6167

C’mon.

Fifty percent of London’s construction workers are migrants. I think only Dubai imports more for that purpose.


#6168

Oi! Leave us out of this bloody thread…

:lou_eyes_to_sky:


#6169

Sorry. Can’t. The comparisons are just too numerous. It’s not just the building trade either. If you take a look at the unskilled work, most of it is barely taxed because it falls underneath the threshold.

We’re the Dubai for unskilled workers.


#6170

#6171

TBH, I don’t see this as an issue anyway - there are far bigger potential issues than keeping chav’s on FB and Instagram when on holiday IMHO.


#6172

“Hello, landlord here”

A joke that @Fatso will get, hopefully.


#6173

That 50% is anecdotal. The ONS latest figures say non UK construction workforce accounts for 10% of the total construction workforce in the UK. London has the greatest number by far (about 40%), but this includes Irish too, a lot of of whom have been over here for a decent amount of time and would probably fall out of some peoples assessment of “foreign” workers. Figures for the rest of the UK show much less in terms of EU and non EU construction workers.


#6174

The 50% refers to numbers gauged by the Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB), according to the article at least.


#6175

Hmmm, little confused here. Explain please?


#6176

You need to be a big mincer to get the joke, Cherts.

Are you a big mincer?