:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

So who was behind this sort of shit?

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Vote Leave and BeLeave appears to be the answer.

Some further detail here.

And here where it appears 45% of the 1200 different ads we’re about immigration.

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Democracy in action… If this had happened in say a South American vote/election, we would all be ‘concerned’ by such a sham democracy… What does the fact that 45% (assume this is a FACT) of those social media ads were about immigration say … we heard so much about ‘project fear’… I suggest that such scaremongering around immigration is not only a more real project fear, but far more sinister. (This is a rational/logical conclusion)

It is obviously wrong to label all Brexiteers as xenophobes or worse, but claims that the vote was won by 3-5 brexit voting labour supporters (speculation /opinion ) is no more valid than saying the vote was won by 3-4 million folks frighten by lies on immigration…

The Sun ran a 4 page spread on the violence at Sangat on the day of the election… reporting an event that had happened months previously… (FACT)

… and brexiteers still go on and on that this was a democratic and fair referendum…

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How can there be a half arsed compromise when the EU doesn’t do compromise?

Hard Brexit without a deal now. Probably for the best.

Well that’s not true. An example of this is when Cameron went to Brussels in 2013 and got compromises on benefit allowances for migrant workers, the seven year brake, local rates for benefit payments and GB not being part of Eurozone bailouts for Countries with the Euro. So it’s plainly wrong to say that the EU doesn’t do compromise.

If it appears to be unwilling to compromise now (although quite how this can be concluded when very little has been motioned to consider), it’s more than likely because we’ve put ourselves in a shithouse position by a) being so politically divided, primarily because the Leave campaign lied, cheated and sold the nation a pup b) we are naturally weaker as one nation against 27 c) we have no plan. At the moment it has very little to compromise on because we have been so poor in tabling what we want. Compromise shouldn’t be confused with a decent negotiating position.

IMHO hard brexit will be chaotic, socially divisive and potentially disastrous for the economy. I fail to see why it would be “for the best”.

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Right ho
Everyone start stockpiling :+1:

Well, to be fair, since Brexit the EU have wanted to make an example of us to stop other’s of the 27 wanting to leave as well, or even daring to ask their population the question.

The EU didn’t even want to consider talks before article 50 whatever had been invoked.

Yeah I know our position is weakened because of the political infighting and indecision but, make no mistakes about it, the EU are being deliberately truculent.

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Surely that’s their prerogative.

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Sure, not very grown up though, and just helps to reinforce my reasons for leaving them.

Wife: I want a divorce
Husband: but I love you I want us to stay together
Wife: nope I am going
Husband: well if you must, how do we do this?
Wife: Not sure yet, but I want the main house, you can keep the holiday home, but I want access whenever I chose for free, I also want all our assets, the kids and pets, oh and access ti the pension fund and your salary
Husband: you for real?
Wife: yep and FYI I will be taken up all holes by my new American and Asian boyfriends and I am going make you watch
Husband: Well you can go fuck yourself

Edited for extra effect

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Edited for a little accuracy :lou_wink_2:

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It was their prerogative to delay negotiations before Article 50 was invoked. I don’t think it is written that they are obliged to start beforehand, but i’m no way an expert on EU law, so i can’t be sure.
I thought there were elections in France, Netherlands and Germany whereby the right wing parties were very keen to promote a policy of leaving the EU, but the people voted against it. I can’t see how that would be seen as stopping any debate. And it would be natural to worry about a wholesale break up of the Union and this is not something that wasn’t foreseen. Of course they are being truculent, but that was going to be obvious from the time the referendum was proposed. they don’t want a break up so they will be arsey. Christ, even I foresaw that!

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What about being the “better man”?

I think they took one look at the Boris, Gove and Rees-Moog, Ferage etc al and instantly realised there was nothing they could do that would make them bigger cunts… they would always be the bigger man

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I guess that’s politics, mate!! Beyond the rules of normal, decent people!

Article 50 was never required. We’re in under a treaty. Treaties can be broken at any time.

True, and if we had just upped and left do you think it would have put us in a stronger position to negotiate future deals? Not trolling honest, just interested in your opinion as I haven’t got a scooby.

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See what you have unleashed @saintbletch?!

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I prefer this analogy of negotiating with the EU

It’s like you ask your friend to come to the cinema, you keep suggesting lots of different movies, but they reject every one while refusing to say a film they’d like to see on the grounds that the outing was your idea.

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