:brexit: Brexit - The Ramifications

I think I can answer on behalf of @gavstar, I think he misunderstood your original question as you didn’t explicitly say powdered milk and powdered eggs . Had you made the question more explicit I’m sure he would have refrained from answering…

I, of course, understood you completely

Amen Bro… sadly so very very true. Political elite convincing many they are in fact nit the establishment on an opportunistic power grab with full support of the mega wealthy who hat those EU laws… the poor being pawns in the game… but it will all be worth it wont it as we wont have Brussels and their pesky laws restricting our ability to develop a socialist utopia… and there will be nothing the uber rich media moguls who control 85% or media and those very ‘not establishment or political elite’ can do about it…

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I’m talking about stockpiling food. Are you suggesting that @gavstar is so fucking stupid that he thought I would choose long life powdered milk and tinned goods but include perishable things like eggs in my stockpile? If that is true then I hope May gives him up to Barnier as part of any negotiations.

I think some of them already are…

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition?recruiter_id=1735081

Egg yolk powder.

However I am still interested in the balls milking part.

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That’s more of a potential No Brexit outcome though, isn’t it?

It looks like they are requesting that the final negotiated deal is put before the people.

What happens if the people’s vote is No?

Is that a signal to the government to go back to the EU and renegotiate a better Brexit deal, or do they suggest it’s a statement to the politicians that the people no longer want Brexit?

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The problem with all this is the language used. If we had a second referendum you could meet the terms of that petition and elicit two entirely different results

Version 1

Do you approve of the deal negotiated by the government - Yes or No?

Version 2

Do you want this deal or no deal?

Version 1 would probably get more no votes and would in all likelihood result in no deal and hard brexit

Version 2 would probably go for the deal on the table and soft Brexit

Excellent. I’ll get powdered egg AND powdered egg yolk for the scrummy recipie you provided earlier. Apologies for getting a bit ratty, Brexit is affecting me more than I realised.

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All true.

I’m thinking that we should have had something that expressed what type of Brexit we want BEFORE the politicians went off to negotiate.

That said, I can’t conceive of a way to even host such a referendum. The permutations of issues are almost endless - Free Movement, Customs Union, Irish Border, etc.

Perhaps it need to be

  1. Cut all ties with the EU
  2. Soft Brexit

Perhaps that’s what we’ve got.

Apparently, at the height of the troubles we had about 21,000 troops based in Northern Ireland. Along with stockpiling medicines and food, the MoD has best get on a recruitment drive.

Somerset Capital Management, co founder by Jacob Rees-Mogg has set up its second investment fund in Eire, insisting that it “has nothing to do with Brexit” (source: i 25 July)

That may well be true, but it doesn’t make your pontificating about how we’ll benefit from Brexit does it JRM. Why not set it up in the UK if things are going to be so rosy?

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The People’s Vote, eh?

Paid for by a foreign billionaire that has previously made more than most Brits will ever earn in a lifetime on shorting the pound.

Its sole purpose?

To overthrow a fucking People’s Vote :smiley:

What a wonderful organisation.

The irony wasn’t lost on me @pap

It made me chuckle more than a little

I thought you were over-egging what Rees-Mogg stands to make out of Brexit for effect. It would seem not.

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This thread has become obsessed with eggs. It’s Brexit not Breggsit.

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It’s gone beyond a yolk.

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I found this quite educational WRT the WTO and how we would go about falling back to WTO terms for our trade in the event of no deal. Apparently, it’s not that easy.

James O’Brien, What Trading On WTO Rules Actually Means:

An Expert’s Alarming Explanation.

After this expert told James O’Brien exactly what would happen if Britain starts trading under WTO rules, his response was really concerning. “I knew this wasn’t going to be pretty,” he said, “but I didn’t think it was going to be this ugly.” Bryce Baschuk, a Bloomberg Correspondent writing specifically about the World Trade Organisation, explained the process for trading on WTO, which Britain would need to do if we leave the EU without a trade deal.

Leading Brexiteers insist that this would be an opportunity for the country, as many countries already trade on these rules with no problem. But Bryce explained how it would work - and as James says, it isn’t pretty.

Describing the positives of WTO rules, he said: "Ideally, the UK would be able to strike new free trade deals with countries such as the US that it believes it wouldn’t be able to do with the European Union. “In addition, it would have the freedom to not be beholden to the European Court of Justice and have more independence or sovereignty over its trading relations.” But the method of getting there seems particularly difficult.

Yesterday, both the UK and the EU filed documents in Geneva outlining the terms they will use to trade with the rest of the world after Brexit - and the two submissions are fundamentally different.

Bryce explains: "The UK is currently a WTO member in its own right. The issue is it does not have an independent schedule of concessions for the WTO - that’s the menu upon which Britain trades with the rest of the world. “It needs to have that if it’s going to strike trade deals. And the way that its approach is different from that of the EU is the UK wants to replicate its current trade WTO commitments by making just a few technical changes and then submitting it to the WTO for certification.”

The problem is that the UK’s terms at the WTO are enshrined in our membership of the EU, so this approach seems optimistic as our market will be smaller than the EU’s market.

All just project fear stories Bletch, i am sick and tired of all this media that says things will be shit, whether in Northern Ireland or here, its like Trump says fake news. But its what happens when there is a media shortage of the truth about how greta its going to be, all the really cool shit that will happen, like full employment, high wages, service excellence that will be the envy of the world, smooth roads to ride my bike on and free blowjobs on the NHS… please stop posting all this fake shit and start posting the facts that have got those that voted Brexit so hard for the glory that will be Britain… I want to Believe!

You’re going to have to wait 50 years for that. Personally, I’m looking forward to my NHS blow job at the age of 90 odd. Although knowing this country it’ll probably be a foreign nurse administering it, ffs.

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Lol.

Setting aside the undeniably negative narrative from James O’Brien, the workings of the WTO is what interests me.

Setting aside that James O’Brien could have found the most pro-Remain WTO expert on the planet, I still learned some stuff about the way the WTO (and its members) will likely treat our application.

i.e. we don’t just slide back to WTO terms after no deal because, well, we’re quite a bit smaller than when we were with the bloc so we’ll be negotiating.