Maybe the miserable bitch is taking the 'the outcome of ther referendum is only advisory and not binding’ seriously?
Their right to self determination as a people. It’s in the Lisbon Treaty.
Also pretty sure they have the right to vote without getting their fucking headfs cracked by police in full balaclavas and no id.
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True and its why we kicked Blair and various other cunts out after 5 years or less when it became clear they had been cunts- point is we could do it. On a personal basis, we will lose something we currently have and can not correct it… and the cunning bastards have ensured they never have to take the blame if/when it al turns to shit, ‘will of teh people, init’
Oh aye?
What do we do about Herbert Asquith, who took us into the First World War at the time we did?
Or Chamberlain, who took us into the Second World War at the time we did? Or Churchill, who lost the Empire in his prosecution of winning the war?
Didn’t matter that Attlee destroyed in him the General Election of 1945. Those decisions were far more calamitous, and were made by far fewer people.
Doesn’t matter that Blair doesn’t look like ever being anything but reviled. The Middle East has to live with his decisions.
Sorry Goaty, but that is a bit ‘sun/mail headline’ - you are better than that. That is catalans being beaten up by their own police. No different form our citizens being beaten up by our police during pol tax protests… its got fuck all to do with this debate, nor is it relevent to my point made earlier about rights
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Dude, it’s different because it happened this year. The Spanish government have only just revoked the arrest warrants for the leader of this insurrection.
It’s different because the Catalans are not being beaten up by their own police. They’re being beaten up by foreign police.
Also, just in the abstract, the two wrongs making a right argument really doesn’t wash with me.
You, personally, have continually made the case that the EU is some arbiter of essential human rights. Your ideological opponents keep enumerating you with examples of how the institution has shirked these responsibilities, _especially _when they’re doing it to say, like you are, that wrong is right.
The minute Greece went under, that should have been the signal that the Euro was a bad idea. Every economist worth his or her salt was unanimous in declaring that one of the reasons that Greece was in _so _much trouble was that it was unable to devalue its currency.
The people running the EU are ideologues, and while I often lean that way myself, I’d like to think I’ve got the wisdom to try pragmatism when idealism won’t cut it. They gave Cameron nothing, and it destroyed his chances in the referendum. They’ve made May pay shitloads for what we already have.
This deal only has one purpose. To reverse Brexit. To make it so unpalatable that the British people spit it out and demand something else.
What it’ll end up doing is destroying Theresa May.
That really is too funny. There’s a reason this site hasn’t taken off in the way you hoped…
Not being funny, TCK, but how do you know what I’ve in mind for this site? We’ve already attracted more members than a site that started six years before us. and that’s before I offboard the obvious spam accounts.
Sotonians is a beloved part of my life. I’m miffed that I’m only contributed in fits and starts lately, cognisant of the reasons why and pretty pleased with the initial discussions on future direction, soon to be unleashed upon the Soviet once we’ve two clear plans.
I am only speaking in my capacity as a contributor, but I’d far rather spend quality time here, and enjoy it, than do the same endless fucking argument all over again when the issue twitches just enough for the legions of reactionaries to scream bloody murder again.
Do you not remember the “me toos”, the “this”, the complete lack in doing anything that didn’t just happen to drop out of the latest ForumBoard feature list?
I’ve loved Sotonians in almost every stage it has existed in. I never hate coming on the place, nor do I apologise for what I have done, in my capacity as a contributor, to make it a better place.
Could it be better? Of course it could, and we’re actively working toward that. There is always room for improvement.
If you want to know whether it could be worse, try Googling Southampton FC forums and have a look for yourself.
I genuinely thought this was sorted when I gave you the sly man hug at St Marys. mucker.
What have you done here, except pretend you can read minds while implicitly denigrating those that contribute? Is having a pop at the entire enterprise just to get at what you think are my vulnerabilities really worth the bother?
@goatboy called me a cunt and got three likes.
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Last post on here 5 days ago.
May loses key Brexit deal vote, with more defeats likely.
Govt whips accused of intimidation and outright bullying to try and win that vote
May says she’s still on course to deliver Brexit, not sure where she’s going to deliver it to though.
What the fuck is going on?
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All I can say is thank god that those rebels had the guts to go with the SNP/Labour/Lib Dems and defeat the government. In my view, kudos to them for sticking to their guns.
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In the spirit of mischief making - I saw this in the BBC comments section
“MPs backed an amendment giving them a legal guarantee of a vote on the final Brexit deal struck with Brussels”
But if we all had typical Remainer logic & therefore didn’t respect the result of the MP’s vote:
The MP’s vote was won by only 50.3% to 49.7%!
Only 47.5% of MP’s voted FOR the amendment!
52.5% of MP’s DIDN’T vote for this amendment!
We need a second vote!
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They seem to be getting shedloads of stick from Brexiteers for it though. Probably from the same people who tell the Remainers to shut up because they lost the vote. Still, that democracy for you (but perhaps they ought to heed their own advice). The bottom line is off course Parliament should scrutinise the final details. Isnt that what democracy is all about? Is it the best deal because Theresa May says it is? Of course not. Our elected representatives should have that say and now they have got it.
The irony is that David Davis has rebelled against the Tory whip something like 90 times.
Love that Remainers are seeing this as an opportunity to change the decision.
It is not that. Its a chance to vote down any deal.
This just makes no deal more likely.
That’s how i see it as well. It’s what the “bonfire of regulations” lot wanted all along.
Have they still got the power to change any parliamentary agreements under secondary legislation?
Corrected for you 
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The Tory MPs who rebelled are receiving death threats from fanatical Brexiters. The Daily Mail front page was a disgrace, a clear incitement to violence against the twelve Tory’s who voted against the government. Dacre should be prosecuted.
The most revealing part of all this is how so many of the Brexiters, and their supporters in the Tory party, are so keen on bypassing Parliament. Proof, as if we needed it, that they see democracy as an inconvenience. Regaining sovereignty my arse.
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I’m just hoping we get some kind of sane outcome from the whole debacle. If the hardcore Brexiters had their way, our economy would be nosediving to satisfy their dogma. If the politicians can make the whole thing work and keep the economy on an even keel, then that would be a relief.