The final vote swings both ways - if the deal presented to parliament is consider too soft a brexit, then the Brexit supporters could sink it.
Given the direction that May has been taking re the negotiaions ie pretty soft brexit, forcing a vote could have been the worst outcome for the Remain camp
Iâve got no problem with the vote. It just wonât be meaningful, either a yay or a nay on whatever deal has been negotiated.
Those seeking reversal or dilution really need to think again. It wonât kill the issue. Itâll just mean the next parties folk turn to will make UKIP look like the fucking Fluffy Bunny Party.
I thought people would be talking about the ÂŁ350m a week. Turns out itâs a correct figure(in a negative kind of way).
The last paragraph of this quote is amusing.
Economists for Brexit, a forecasting group, predicted that after a leave vote growth in GDP would expand 2.7 per cent in 2017. The Treasury expected a mild recession. Neither proved correct. The 2017 growth rate appears likely to slow to 1.5 per cent at a time when the global economy is strengthening.
According to economists such as Robert Chote, chairman of the independent Office for Budget Responsibility, which produces the official government forecasts, a more pressing question is to assess the impact compared with what would have happened had the vote gone the other way.
This work has started, and includes a range of estimates calculated by the Financial Times suggesting that the value of Britainâs output is now around 0.9 per cent lower than was possible if the country had voted to stay in the EU.
That equates to almost exactly ÂŁ350m a week lost to the British economy â an irony that will not be lost on those who may have backed Leave because of the claim made on the side of the bus.
If thatâs not worrying enough, they are tied in with this bunch of freaks.
The future is bright(mainly because they are going to burn us all).
Looks like our EU friends are trying to make it as punitive as possible for us, insisting on an 20 month transitional period. Itâs another step toward a no deal Brexit.
Matthew Elliot, obviously a pariah around these parts, speaks out. I liked these bits.
But just before the UK slips out the Brussels door, the zombie Remain campaign has come back seeking one last roll of the electoral dice. They are calling for a second referendum, on the final Brexit deal, or as the Liberal Democrats sanctimoniously put it, âa first referendum on the factsâ.
Letâs be clear: whatever their high-sounding motives, this is nothing more than a shoddy plot to reverse Brexit, the majority decision of the people of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in a free and fair vote.
Yet now the refrain of some of those recalcitrant Remainers demanding another referendum is that we somehow didnât know what we were voting for last year. They incredulously claim that coming out of the EUâs single market and customs union was not on the ballot paper. But as that infamous government propaganda stated: âIf we move outside the single market we would have to negotiate a new relationship with the EUâ. You donât say! Leading figures from both Leave and Remain camps such as David Cameron, George Osborne, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and even Nick Clegg all said in terms during the campaign that a vote to Leave would mean leaving the EUâs single market.
Could you please address the points of Mr Elliot rather than spoffing off about me?
You canât just say stuff is crap without qualification, and we have seen this line of argument advanced by our resident Remainers time and time again.
I think his comments bear a great deal of relevance to much of the content on this thread. Would sir care to rebut them?
Stop trying to be clever - seriously, itâs all personal opinion, you just try to dress yours up as fact and attempt to force your views down the throats of everyone & anyone who dares to think otherwise you attempt to burn as a heretic.
Just accept people donât all think youâre the messiahâŚsomeone Iâm sure will quote the punch line Iâve set up thereâŚ
Haha its all bollocks and spin⌠Of course Remain would want a new vote or to reverse Brexit - why is this a fucking surprize or even something that is made into a piece of shit article? Of course those with any influence who are remianers will use whatever means are possible to try and chip away at the Brexit shit⌠because if you believe it was a flawed and irreponsible referendeum, why does that change simply because of the result? Its about what you beleive in.
As mentioned before on this thread and I dont expect a reasoned response this time either⌠what if this was a referendum on the death penalty and the vote had been 75:25 in favour? Would those 25 who believe it to be morally and ethically abhorant be wrong to keep fighting for a reversal, or would that be âundemocraticâ? The whole point of democracy is the freedom to argue against what you believe to be wrong whatever the the 'majority view.
This country voted for Brexit by a slim majority, without any real idea of the implications, with misinformation and in some cases lies impacting on many folks decisions. Some completely clueless, believing âit will keep the muslims out initâ⌠So anyone trying to take the piss out of those suggesting this should be addressed are those who are scared that a REAL democratic chipping away will eventually overturn the result and fuck up their agenda. If Brexit is really what the country wants - if it really is the âwill of the peopleâ, then why are so many Brexiteers running scared of such challenges or even hints of a rerun? me thinks they protest too much
I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.