Dual citizenship is a double edged sword.
You could also be conscripted to fight the Russians in Barbarossa II, or perhaps more realistically, get arrested and leave your government in no position to help you.
Sadly I dont qualify for dual anyway so have little choice- and its partly the fact that my EU citizenship is taken from me without my agreement that I find shabby⊠i wonder if there is a legal angle there?
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Good point @areloa-grandee
Iâd place your powers of accurate recall alongside your powers to accurately predict stuff.
The scales would balance, but passers by would remark âof course those scales balance. Theresâ nothing on them!â
FWIW, saying that folk voting to leave mightnât have as glowing an appreciation of our blackmailers as Remainers isnât that big a leap.
Returning to topic, the wheels are going to fall off this deal before it progresses too far down the track. The best thing you can say about it is that it is a deliberate âcrap cup of teaâ approach, named after folk that are resolute this will be the _only _cup of tea youâd ever need to make, such would be the distaste of the imbibers.
Itâs a terrible deal for the UK. Itâs just about passable for Mayâs deal with the DUP.
May is going to get an unrelenting lesson in what Brexit means Brexit actually means.
There is no such thing as a EU citizen, and as such I suspect no legal basis to protest.
I would be stunned if EU citizenship was created and then was available to be bought. EU for the wealthy and fuck the poor???
Who wants to play with that hot potato.
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The EU didnât give a fuck about the Catalanâs rights. Theyâll give less of a fuck about ours.
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What rights? A wealthy region of Spain effectively saying fuck you to the rest of the country?
We may as well give up and give all the other âminorityâ groups independence?
Scottish, Welsh, Norn-Irish, Cornish, Flemish, Waloons, Basques, Brettons, etc line 'em up and beggar them all?
And these would be my genuine thoughts. Surely Theresa Mayâs Neville Chamberlain âI have in my hand a piece of paperâ moment. Not to be alarmist, but the only bombs dropping will be the cash carpet bombing Brussels and the shock that it will cause over here when the big one drops.
Brexit does not mean Brexit. What it means is that in order to dodge another weekend of bad headlines, Theresa May has signed up in principle for the worst of all worlds. There are positives. Iâm very pleased to see the rights of 3m EU citizens here and 1m Brits in the EU abroad will be observed, weâve effectively gained nothing from the status quo, will pay a large sum for it, and have no influence in decision making power.
If weâre in the single market, and weâre in the customs union, and the ECJ presides over our laws, and we have to align, then weâre in the European Union. Weâre just not members. There are better ways to retain access and not be members.
EFTA membership would be better than this. Sure, weâd still need alignment, but certain decisions, such as the politically crucial emergency brakes, are in the hands of the nation state, not the European Commission.
The fanfare about getting anything agreed at at all will die down. The substance of what has been agreed will begin to sink in, and this really isnât what the 17.4m that voted to leave the European Union meant when they voted to leave the European Union.
Theresa May needs to be frog-marched to the Tower post fucking haste, such is the betrayal, of British interests and her own stated words. No deal is better than a bad deal. This is a very bad deal.
bit presumptuous/arrogant to claim to know what 17.4m people wanted.
bizarre - you voted for this, knowing a Tory govt would be in charge and now youâre moaning about it. Maybe you should stop moaning and bleating on? Itâs the will of the people after all.
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They voted to Leave. Staying in the Single Market, Customs Union, and having the ECJ preside over your laws is not leaving. You can be as facetious as you like in your breakdown of the situation, but this is a bad situation for the entire country.
I honestly donât think it presumptious. Leaving the European Union means leaving its mechanisms and institutions. Weâre apparently not doing any of that, so what part of Brexit would you say May has delivered?
Brexit means Brexit pap. Itâs the will of the people. Get on board.
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Self-determination has been a cause celebré for millennia. The situation in Spain is entirely different from the one in the UK. The Scots have had two referendums on independence in the past 50 years. The Good Friday Agreement leaves the future position of the disputed country in the hands of those that live there. The Welsh could get a referendum of their own.
That is not true of Spain, which says its constitution which insists the present form of Spain is the forever form of Spain. They will not allow the Catalans a say in independence, sent the riot police in when they tried, and issued arrest warrants for people wanting different political representation.
To compare the two situations is a bit ludicrous. We did not start firing rubber bullets up Sauchiehall Street when Jock spilled out of the bar to say âAyeâ to an independent Scotland.
ââŠTo compare the two situations is a bit ludicrousâŠâ Why intersperse your arguments with comments that are clear attempts to ridicule thought. / comments that donât conform to Papâs World View?
No mention of the Basque separatist atrocities, or those committed by the IRA for example. Youâre being selective yet again in your arguments.
I appreciete there is no suc thing as and âEU citizenâ in terms of tangible belonging, but as an individual citizen of an EU member state, this came with certains EU wide rights. Now one of the reasons I am a remainer is that I valued these rights and potentially others that we vetoed, but that is another story⊠point is, some of these rights will be removed when we leave. If these rights will be retained by SOME of the country by accident of where they live/born etc, then I suspect that there might be a legal basis on which to challenge the government to ensure those rights are an option for all and that this should be part of any negotiated deal⊠The whole thing is a farceâŠ
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âŠto me its why its created such a long standing and continued debate, because it will impact many folks directly not for 1 term of Government, but most likely for my lifetime, since any future desire to go back in will require the EuroâŠand we know how adverse the British Kleinburger are about the holy fucking pound. Brexit fundementally alters not just the countryâs relationship with the EU, but also the personal one. It wont go away and nor should it.
Theyâre completely different situations. The UK allows its regions to vote on their own independence. Spain does not. You have to think it through that much, but no further.
The situation in the Basque country doesnât warrant an extra mention because constitiutionally, the Spanish Basques are in exactly the same spot as the Catalans.
Iâm not even sure why youâre mentioning IRA or ETA violence in relation to the recent Catalan uprising, which was completely peaceful. Without justifying the violence, the path to which those groups get there is all too well trodden. In almost cases, they first peacefully seek and are denied political resolutions.
See also the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah.
Itâs not quite a 40bn quip, but Iâll see what I can do with it under WTO rules.
Pap, a better view of the EU and Spain/Catalonia is probably The UK/Scotland. The EU did not intervene in our indy ref as it has no power to do so, nor could it intervene in Spainâs decision not to let the catalonians have a free and bindng vote⊠Whilst they should have been far more vocal in condenming the violence, so should the UK.
Weâve had far more damaging national catastrophes than leaving the EU.
We didnât have a say on whether we got involved in those events. We still havenât gotten over them.