History ain’t anatomy, Sotonist.
You’re projecting your own limited knowledge onto others.
To say that you don’t know about a subject is one thing. To assert that others must be equally ignorant is bizarre, even if ignorance were a defence.
Farage making friends and influencing people at the Euro Parliament
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what he’s saying is that it’s ok for people to be racist if they have the excuse of ignorance
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I asked if Gay could reasonably expect the population to know about Bangladesh. That invites a reason for them to know about it. Was it part of your curriculum? On WHat basis do you expect man on the street in eastleigh to know about Bangladesh?
City State of London???
London Mayor Sadiq Khan has said this morning he wants more power for the city following the EU referendum. London overwhelmingly voted to Remain while much of the rest of England voted to Leave.
In a speech to business leaders, Mr Khan said: "As much as I might like the idea of a London city state, I’m not seriously talking about independence today. I am not planning to install border points on the M25.
“But on behalf of all Londoners, I am demanding more autonomy for the capital - right now. More autonomy in order to protect London’s economy from the uncertainty ahead, to protect the businesses from around the world who trade here and to protect our jobs, wealth and prosperity.”
He said the powers called for in the London Finance Commission report three years ago would just be a “starting point”, and could include control of stamp duty revenue, business rates and vehicle excise duty.
But he said he wasn’t “asking for London to get a bigger slice of the British pie”, only for Londoners to “get more control over the slice of the pie we already get.”
Just to let you know, that’s not what I’m saying in case this is directed at me…
Originally posted by @BTripz
Farage making friends and influencing people at the Euro Parliament
What do “commodity brokers” actually do? Is it a “proper job”? What is a proper job? So many questions.
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This isn’t even new material.
It’s the career politicians argument, isn’t it? From university to government.
Same sort of argument that is railed against professors who have never experienced anything outside of the academic system.
You can get bogged down in arguing over what a proper job is, but the point is these people have no commercial experience. I have no idea if he is correct.
Originally posted by @BTripz
Farage making friends and influencing people at the Euro Parliament
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/747726408798060544
Nige, you seem hell-bent on destroying the UK’s place in the world. Can’t you just put a sock in it. You are an elected MEP. Do the fucking job you are paid a considerable amount to do…
He’s hell bent on destroying the EU.
He probably doesn’t entertain the notion of the EU withstanding it or the UK suffering as a result of his attempts.
Any calls for him to be part of the negotiating team have to be firmly off the table.
More power for London, eh?
That put upon little city.
There is a lot of noise coming from our partners in Europe about “if we want access to the single market then we are going to have to give something in return” ie free movement and a bung.
What they seem to be forgetting is that they also want access to our market. They seem to have forgotton that by withdrawing from the EU, the UK ceases to be part of the single market and they lose the access they enjoy unless they negotiate a deal.
So basically, you’re asserting that unless people are specifically taught about Bangladesh in school, they’ll have no idea of the difference?
We’re not talking particle physics, mate.
We’re talking about having knowledge of the existence of a country, and being able to say that it’s a different country from Pakistan.
By your logic, is Russia still the Soviet Union? What’s the deal with Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania? No-one taught me about these countries at school, because they didn’t exist.
Sorry Sotonist - it’s a ridiculous defence of ignorance. Given your earlier assertion that we don’t really know if that MP goes back to Basingstoke, resolvable in about 10 seconds, I see no wish on your part to lift yourself out of that ignorance.
That’s fair enough. You can revel in a ignorant pig shit if you want, but don’t throw it about.
Most people genuinely aren’t that thick, even if they weren’t specifically taught something in the comprehensive school system.
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It’s really not going to work like that. What we want is an EEA agreement. To get that we are going to have to pay into the EU pot and accept free movement of goods, services and people. It’s the same set up Norway has, you know, the model the Outers said we should follow.
We need their market, way, way more than they need ours and if we don’t have access to it then kiss goodbye to Nissan, Toyota etc because make no mistake, no access to the single market and they are gone.
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I see that delineation too, but the fundamental issue that I see as shared is immigration.
That is a position that few people are concerned about due to inherent racism, but many are for ‘pragmatic’ reasons.
It’s still a shared concern.
Many people voted the same as racists,for the same fundamental reason, but for different motives.
Again, for the avoidance of doubt, I see the difference.
I really do.
But I think that being aware of this concern shared with racists is behind the exaggerated indignity that I see in the Brexit voters.
People need to realise that we are no longer a big player with power, but within the EU we have clout.
That’s why there was fear about the economic reality of Brexit.
We have chosen to leave the world tour of a slightly dysfunctional rock band on a major label, and we are now playing small gigs of solo material in backstreet pubs and trying to sell CDs in the corner after the gig.
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Originally posted by @saintbletch
I see that delineation too, but the fundamental issue that I see as shared is immigration.
That is a position that few people are concerned about due to inherent racism, but many are for ‘pragmatic’ reasons.
It’s still a shared concern.
Many people voted the same as racists,for the same fundamental reason, but for different motives.
Again, for the avoidance of doubt, I see the difference.
I really do.
But I think that being aware of this concern shared with racists is behind the exaggerated indignity that I see in the Brexit voters.
I’ve probed that delineation. One of the few good ideas to emerge from the Labour leadership contest which wasn’t a Corbyn policy was Burnham’s proposal that the UK gets more money for infrastructure. To get an idea of the racism and pragmatism split, I ask if people would still object if the money was there. The vast majority of objections disappear if funding is there.
There are still some holdouts that funding won’t satisfy. Even then, I have difficulty putting them all into KKK garb. Don’t get me wrong - there are some vile cunts that generally smear their own hateful shit about, but many are just bloody uncertain of their own place in life.
We talked Brexit a lot over the weekend. ms pap reckons that the vote was as much to do with people being utterly frustrated in their own lives, close to breaking point and believing that change, any change, is what they need. It’s not sound rationale, but neither has it come from dark racist hearts.
It has arrived after decades of underfunding, in the midst of a government taking more away than has been taken for years. I’ve never bought the notion that we’ll suddenly plough all that EU cash into the NHS, certainly not at the behest of the right wing tubthumpers that’ll probably kill it before they save it. Some people have though, and the only reason they considered it important is because the institution has been fucked up so much already.
The rationale is flawed, of course. Doesn’t make it any less effective on an emotive issue like the NHS.
Originally posted by @Sotonist
just so everyone knows the context of the guy saying “P” to sima Kotecha, and without condoning it, i’ve just heard her piece on R4. she was interviewing a number of people about their views on immigration and the word was used descriptively as the man calmly gave his solicited opinion on immigration. there wasn’t any form of attack involved.
this was not a drive by harassment case.
the next interviewee stated that it’s not unusual for people to use that word freely in basingstoke.
edit: clarification, he did not call her a “p”, he described his attitude to “p’s” among others
Can we stop using this word please and then again in quoting. It is a horrible degrading word, that I heard far to much from my youth… it really is not nice!
Even stronger touting about today for another referendum in October on 5 live. Saying that they are live from West Bromich and some of the answers they are getting, just about sums up the the lack of faith I have in the people of the country.
I’m annoyed that many people ignored all of the expert advice on the economic ramifications and voted for misplaced reasons or because they believed blatant lies, or just because The Sun told them to.
Some people still believe that immigrants are coming over here taking all our jobs, and are responsible for our schools and the NHS being at breaking point.
Their plan it to remove people who are vital to our economy and to ignore the Cameron-imposed austerity that is crippling the NHS and related services.
Until that significant section of voters grasp that they’ve been duped by what was often racist propaganda, we cannot move forward.
I realise you had your own reasons Pap with regard to the way the EU is run and I respect that, but can you understand why I think half of the Leave voters are total fuckwits who don’t understand what they have done?
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