:Brexit: Brexit - The Aftermath

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Not representative of them all no, but certainly representative on many who held similar views… you may find that difficult to accept, but its certainly demonstrated by the numbers who have voted for parties who have no qualms about wearing their bigotry on their sleeves in many of the same constituencies that swung to Boris in the last election… A populist ‘leader’, delivering what they wanted… as I said, you might like to believe they wanted Brexit for the ideals you appear to hold on sovereignty and democracy… but there are plenty were much more concerned about other ‘issues’…

Jury out on this given the complexities of raw materials/production/ import/export etc.

Still higher than Prebrexit…

Not sure I ever mentioned this in Brexit context, are you being ‘flippant’ to make a point?

Again I have never mentioned specific factories or businesses… but many have closed/moved as have services. we are 36 days in Pap… we wont know the true impact for 18-24 months, but I am sure you will state its down to COVID…

Well no deal done yet with US, maybe wait and see what regulations are relaxed when one is discussed…

‘Future’ pap, you have a crystal ball? Why the hyperbole/bollocks? Who said ‘destruction of a future?’ I will say it again we have reduced the opporunities for the next generations, to which you keep replying that it does not matter because it only effects middle class kids, and they dont matter… you sound like a unreconstructed Trot, a teenage certainty, so sure of yourself, refusing too apply any critical thinking to the reasons why others voted as you… and you cant even resist displaying your own prejudices

Mail front page - I suspect you would be surprised how many folks see this as a great symbol, forgetting we could have had blue passports whist in the EU had we wanted to… and as always you forget this was a mention for its utter comedy value, the fact the Brexit leaders made a big thing over it, summed them up

Your problem is that for every single Brexit vote driver that you don’t agree with, you believe that its was an opinion held by only a minority… which is plainly not so. Maybe its wishful thinking on your part as you cant stomach the idea have having voted the same as them

And there it is… your desperation to blame remainers for the demise, defeat and ridicule of your view of the Labour party… go on Pap be brave, Do you think Labour would have won in 2017 or 2019 had Corbyn’s and the party’s stance been clearly pro brexit and getting it done?

… when 68% of the who voted labour in 2017 had voted Remain?

That is what you cant accept, that Brexit cursed Labour… because they misjudged the right wing mood, and yet the largest proportion of their support has moved on from Tony Benn and his distaste of the Common market/EEC/EU… They dont hold views that suggest Sovereignty is that important… they dont hold the same views as you, and its condemned the UK to this… a Tory Party that finally had a mandate to do what even Thatcher could not have imagined, the removal of all the moderates, experience replaced by wind direction following populist cunts… placed in power by those who were told its brexit or nothing, as anything else was a kick in their democratic gonads…

Voting Tory for many of those in the Swing seats, was not ‘unthinkable’ - you just cant accept that many working class folks actually have right wing views, but never felt as comfortable as they do now expressing them… and thats not great is it? Means you have to blame remainers (mostly labour voters) for it…

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Excuse me? Is sir using the normal functioning of the Labour Party as it it’s some kind of bedrock? Even if were operating at peak efficiency during that time.

And also, what do you count as Labour voters? Do you count the ones that fucked off to the SNP when Iraq happened and never bothered coming back?

Do we include the so call anti-semitics and racists that been in perma-suspension? Probably not.

Do we count those lose to UKIP in years running up to Brexit, councils slowly folding, or the lefties now, or the militants then?

68% of the Labour Party ain’t enough to win a general election, and by all accounts, including Labour’s own financial accounts, suggest that that 68% represents far fewer people.

And he’s the brill thing. They didn’t give a clean fuck about Europe, something that was pretty obvious at the time and fucking obvious in hindsight.

Back then, the FBPE twats were always more interested in attacking Corbyn than bigging up Europe. There won’t be a campaign to rejoin.

I’ll put my neck on the line and will say the EU is done with a decade, as in dissolved and going their separate ways and not getting pushed about by the French, Germans and perhaps worst of all, these Qusling fucks like Verhoesfat.

Who will blame them? It’s an extraordinary fucking arrangement, as we’ve seen all too clearly over the past four years.

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Quite. Labour never paid much more than lip service to Europe, apart from Blair. And he only wanted to sit at the big table and look hard, like when he sucked up to Bush over Iraq.

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Getting out was very much an old Labour thing, policy until the Party got a nice visit from Jacques Chirac at the 83rd Annual Labour Party Conference, who wowed them all with the social chapter.

After almost a decade of having the electoral shit kicked out of them and their traditional base, being able to operate within a wider framework and swerve Westminster must have sounded like Heaven.

Nice words and a few well placed bungs to people that Thatcher had kicked the shit out of, and you’ve suddenly got an EU movement.

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Because I was in charge of the Remain campaign and did a really shit job

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Was there a campaign? I must have missed it. All I remember is the smuggest cunts in the country collectively patronising the plebs, and assuming that we would all do what we were told. They used pictures and little words and everything, I can’t understand why the strategy failed.

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A long story.
Before Brexit ExPats with a brain needed to register and apply for Residency in EU countries. I did that a week after landing. I got a double sided piece of paper to confirm my status and coud then apply for a PESEL (NI) Number & then swap my driving licence. No problems.
Fast forward.
Every Brit who did this registered across the EU because they had freedom of movement and our data is in the “EU Citizen DBase”.
Except now we are not.
So. From 4th Jan any Brit here who found out by luck about this, we needed to revisit Immigration with a new set of Docs for “Non-EU” Citizens. An hour long process of forms and photos and fingerprints and signing stuff.
Now I am on the right DBase. An hour, for every Brit expat across the whole EU :man_facepalming:

At the end of the process I got a new piece of single sided A4 with watermarks and everything. This is valid for 12 months, and I must have it with me when (yeah right) I travel outside of Poland.

In approx two months and any timeup to 12 months from today’s date I must attend Immigration again and will receive my BRAND NEW sooper dooper Polish ID Card. This is actually BEFORE any Polish people get them. This is a BIG upgrade on the moth eaten photocopy I had to carry from my 1st visit.
More EXCITING - I can use this card to TRAVEL within the EU. I WON’T HAVE TO STAND IN THE OTHER PASSPORTS QUEUE!

(You guys are gonna learn all about that when you land at Frankfurt behind an Emirates A380)

In another unexpected twist, in this new DBase I am eligible for “Permanent Right to Remain Full Time” and a new ID card after next February -in the old system it was a 5 year wait now it will be 4 years.

The Immigration office girlwas hilarious -we were asking about this form, that form, she was answering “I don’t know, it changes every morning!”
Anyway I am the 3,359th Brit in Poland to go through this. I guess with so many in Spain it will take them most of a year to do everyone.

(Not I have a residence status from last year technically I need to be either married or employed to retain it during the “qualification period” After that I can start interviewing upgrades as Mrs P_F suggested) - And no I have no idea what the difference is, and no, the “getting a passport” process is very different and ain’t gonna happen.

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Lord David Frost’s tweet about his elevation to the cabinet as grand Brexit supremo,(ie can carrier) caught my eye.

“I am hugely honoured to have been appointed minister to take forward our relationship with the EU after Brexit”.
“In doing so I stand on the shoulders of giants, and particularly those of @michaelgove who did an extraordinary job for this country in talks with the EU over the past year”.

So there we have it, Michael Gove is officially a giant. But a giant what though? A giant ladies front bottom perhaps? Any suggestions?

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In today’s shock news, it appears @pap now writes for the fail.

But tbh, this is the current opinion over here as well.

https://mol.im/a/9281969

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That’s Douglas Murray. Already well known in these parts.

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France has just posted a record Eurozone trade deficit for any Eurozone country.

Reckon he was buying up old baton stocks from East Germany? :smiley:

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That’s ok, they can just devalue the franc a little.

Oh.

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Let’s be frank. The Germans marked them.

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Reichs Almighty… :man_facepalming:

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Don’t stand there gawping. Like a lira.

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The Aftermath Diaries

It is day 54 in the Big Brexit House. We’ve had a few developments and the aftermath of those seems to be a thinning of the vast flock of latter day Remainers.

Don’t get me wrong. Those sunlit uplands have not arrived. They never will. I live 30 miles from Manchester, capital of rain, FFS. If Travis wrote that song while in Manchester, I would have an explanation.

The world was of course shocked to see the cadre of appointed has-beens from the European Commission “accidentally” almost create a constitutional crisis of extraordinary magnitude, shocked that they would so flagrantly put the peace on the island of Ireland at risk.

I was not shocked. Quite handy really. I used that time of not being shocked to do some productive tasks.

Overt Remainers seem to have disappeared from my Facebook feed, and those brave enough to stick their heads above the parapet get shot down with tales of EU incompetence pretty quickly.

Unless this shit goes Planet of the Apes or Shaun of the Dead, it looks like 1-0 to Aftermath Dystopian Post Brexit Blighty, where not being in the single market would deprive of us of vital drugs.

I don’t invoke this genuine Roman phrase very much, but I will now.

Arficus Maximus.

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Train o’ Euro news kept-a-comin’

Bit of a piss-take asking for UK finance on this. Anything we give them is goodwill.

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Is this an attempt at satire? it’s very poor.

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It’s an attempt at Latin.

Like Sillius Soddus or Biggus Dickus.