Just to be clear, in what way are the EU being twats on thr Irish border issue?
They’re the ones that made it a thing. Before Varadkar was elected, British and Irish civil servants were making sensible plans to just get on with it.
Then you’ve got the fact the EU, with Varadkar’s connivance, put the GFA on the table as a poker chip.
Then you’ve got the recent invocation of Article 16, the u-turn, and again, putting peace on the island at risk for their own very narrow political ends, in this case trying to create noise to detract from their moribund vaccination efforts.
Here you are.
A lovely example of EU “competence”. In explaining the Irish mess, here’s what was said.
“Only the pope is infallible”
Fucking classic stuff for the target audience. For me, it proves this cunt at least has no idea what he’s doing. Probably the same for all the other has been cunts.
Brexit is done, cherry picking days are over. Rejoice. You can’t keep on blaming the EU for stuff that they don’t own, NI is the UK’s problem to sort out, not the EU’s. It’s not their fault that Johnson didn’t have a clue about the implications of his deal, which he negotiated,he signed and then rushed through parliament without proper scrutiny and then proclaimed it as the best deal ever. Even though anyone with a brain could see what the implications would be for the GFA and had been pointing these out for years.
The UK is not a member of the European Union, the Customs Union or the Single Market, so third country rules apply. But we have our sovereignty. The UK negotiators refused the sensible offer of an extension from the EU in anticipation of what is now starting to happen, puffing their chests out and throwing it back in their faces. Now barely into the second month of Brexit they are going cap in hand to the EU asking for a three year one. They have changed the name to ‘grace period’ though, and hope nobody will notice. Ireland wasn’t going to be a problem the Brexiteers said, that’s just project fear. If only!
The Good Friday agreement was signed while the UK was still part of the EU, and the sectarian violence significantly ramped down. The UK decides to leave the EU without giving any thought to the effect and ramifications it would have in Ireland. And now just a month after fully leaving the EU, customs officers and border officials have had to be withdrawn because of threats of violence from Arlene’s boys, panic stations because these boys and some more of the swivel eyed Unionists, probably the ones Gove cheerleads for, are murmuring about maybe going for a walk in the woods at night with their spades and metal detectors. Threats of violence from Loyalist Paramilitaries is considered “real and significant”, but according to Johnson, Gove etc, you as well, this is the EU’s fault and you want them to do something about it? What planet are you on. The Tories will hand over sovereignty to Loyalist paramilitary gangsters.
Regarding the invocation of Article 16 that everyone is desperately getting so indignantly worked up about, Johnson stated yesterday that he wouldn’t hesitate to trigger it, indeed he publicly threatened to do it two weeks ago. More than a whiff of hypocrisy here, i do understand the desperation though, it’s a good deflection from the Brexit shitshow that’s already unfolding barely a month in, and i’m sure you will cling on to it for dear life. But hey, you won, it’s what you voted for, break out the champagne, you’ve got your hard Brexit with all that entails, we’re not in the club anymore, you can stop blaming the EU for everything now, no need to keep obsessing about how bad things are in the EU, it’s not our business anymore. Start concerning yourself with how we are doing, our death rates as well as our success at the vaccine rollout, our government’s open corruption, handing over of billions to their friends and donors. You’ll need to find another scapegoat for all the troubles of this country. You could start by owning your shit, not crying that a big boy did it and ran away!
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In some more human circles… the fact the being leaving the EU might put at risk what is still a fragile peace in NI, would have ben enough to not even go there. All I expect now will be some twattish comment about the ‘price of freedom’, as if we were in servitude under the EU… so far I have yet to see any tangible benefit since leaving. Sovereignty seems to equal ‘we cant blame anyone else for our own shit show any more’ - Given how COVID has provided a perfect mask for much of it, Boris and the Brexiteers (A shite boy band if there ever was one) must have been thanking their lucky stars at its outset… I recall Boris proclaiming it was all under control whilst the Europeans had shut borders and we had 240000 at Cheltenham… less bullish now we are over 100000 deaths, the highest European toll… but lets all laugh the Europeans over vaccination… as if making those errors is something to laugh about
Well, your analysis is at variance with even EU friendly reporting sources. What we’ve seen over the past few weeks was the desperate culmination of a catalogue of imcompetence taking place over the last twelve months, and we’re seeing more of it now.
I am yet to be convinced by anything that the EU has done that it understands Ireland, or the situation it was inflaming by putting its security on the table as a poker chip. Go listen to what Bertie Ahern and read the newspapers before the ascension of Varadkar. This was sorted. The only reason it became unsorted is because the EU is a bullying organisation that shat on the Irish through the hapless Varadkar.
No one on that island thinks what the EU did last Friday was right. I think I’ll defer to them on this issue.
Of course nobody thinks that what the EU did last Friday was right, including them as it was quickly dropped and an apology given. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the Irish problem, just a deflection again. Ireland and it’s history of troubles is a UK problem, not the EU’s. They didn’t force us to leave, kick us out, we have left voluntarily of our own accord. Despite them obviously being aware of the potential problems regarding the GFA and several times offering an extension to smooth these out, the UK arrogantly threw it back in their faces. Brexit, and Johnson’s deal is the threat to the GFA, as was pointed out for years from the referendum onwards. But the true believers refused to even acknowledge any potential problems, just barged full steam ahead with no thought to the GFA. The UK, in their arrogance and sense of exceptionalism just thought they would carry on cherry picking, the EU would roll over and compromise their single market and customs union. No country would do that, we are a third country with third party status. Now we are between a rock and a hard place, cave in to Foster and her stormtroopers and tear up the NI protocol as she is demanding, which would clearly breach the GFA and inevitably reignite the troubles. Remember the USA are guarantors of the GFA and wouldn’t look kindly on that to put it mildly. Forget any trade deal, they would probably sanction us as well until we complied. Nobody should underestimate the hold Ireland has over the people of the USA, it is huge. They would demand nothing less. Trying to twist this into somehow it’s all the fault of EU bully boys shitting on Ireland is just hysterical nonsense. Desperate stuff from someone with no arguments, desperately trying to deflect and defend the indefensible.
Like I said, I’ll defer to them.
Sshh. Don’t mention the 100,000 deaths whatever you do. Get with the program.
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BBC News - Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish
Especially not in a casual context to get last word in a pointless forum spat, eh?
Their votes counted just like everyone else’s. And it would be interesting to know how people involved in the fishing industry did vote.
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That just seems overly bureaucratic and designed to stop people importing stuff into the EU…
Oh, yes, absolutely. I’m 100% certain that they’re eternally grateful for such manna from heaven.
FFS. 
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You’ve had paramilitaries get all uppity in the last week as a direct result of this.
If only someone, anyone knew that dicking about with Northern Ireland might be a problem. Of course, there is nothing in our recent history to suggest that this might have been a problem.
This line you’re taking is rather pathetic in the context of this forum. We are not overburdened with massive fans of the government. The criticism from Leave quarters on this place about his COVID performance has not pulled any punches.
Is this honestly where the Remnants of this site are at?
Pretending that Leave means uncritical support of the Johnson government?
Flippantly throwing about 100,000 family tragedies to make a point?
You’ve lost all perspective. Bring back RB and his day one cries of “I’m losing money now!”.
It’s far more dignified than this.
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Not quite sure why i bother really because once again you fail to actually get the point and twist what is said to suit your own agenda…
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The point about NI is valid. It was simply about whether Brexit is worth the challenges and threats to the fragile peace established under the GFA? Certainly the fact we ignored offers of more time to get that part of the deal right would suggest they did…
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The twattish comment was not in reference to anyone on this forum, but in relation to the fact it would not be surprising should some Brexiteer in Government drop in more crass remarks to make the point Brexit was more important than the fragile peace in NI… the desperation to ‘get it done’ all very last minute despite the complexities over NI, would give that impression
Not sure anyone has said that? No one has said that. Where we will alway disagree is in your very twisted logic that remainers were responsible for Boris… mostly I suspect because you cant stomach the fact that 68% of labour voters were remainers…
Nothing flippant about that - but your using the quote out of context is
The point being made is that Boris did fuck all when other countries were closing borders, allowing 240000 to mingle at a fucking horse race… delaying action because it would be unpopular… and the result is 110000 deaths and climbing, worse than in those countries that closed borders earlier… how is this rather sad fact ‘flippant’ - you accuse me of insensitivity, yet are comfortable doing the same thing, or don’t you get the irony there?
Sure, you would know… If there is one thing I have a fucking huge perspective on its health and healthcare, and you dont need me to spell it out again, so stop being such a dick about it.
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If you’re not sure anyone has said that, I’d go back and find out. It’s not like we delete shit.
In this case, you don’t have to go far back. My lovely neighbour @Nottarf-Krap is a frequent insinuator of such.
Historically, you’ve both had a record of finding the most mental Brexit opinions, which no-one has argued for here, as something we should discuss.
There have been facile comparisons with those on the other side, implying that because we Leavers voted the same way as Nigel Farage and Nick Griffin, WE MUST BE THE SAME.
Perhaps you forget the year long loser’s circlejerk of 2016-17, where all one had to do was stick something vaguely remain to win a Nice Reply badge.
I will say this. Fair play to you, not for just sticking to your guns, but also for having the courage to stick around as the worst case dystopias you predicted fail to materialise, especially as the warnings we gave you about placing too much power in a group of appointed has-beens have so strikingly risen to the surface.
Oh dear you see there is so much wrong with your post, that i barely know where to start…
I have never insinuated that folks who support Brexit support Boris unreservedly. But its true that many have found him an unusual bedfellow due to his ‘getting Brexit done’, maybe conveniently forgetting he would have happily been a remainer had the wind blown in that direction.
There are examples of extremists, and racists and completely nut jobs…who voted Brexit, However I would concede there are equal measures of at least nutjobs who voted remain… but that is not really the point. I will stick to the sad reality that Brexit awoke latent feelings, that at best could be called an obsession with Britishness being better , and at worst… well you know what that is. You can’t hide from it. It was clear from vox pops in Burnley about Brexit enabling us to ‘keep the muslims out’ … now that is clearly an extreme that made good telly, but it was saying what a lot of people think even if hey won’t say it publicly… you can’t deny that the swing to Boris and Brexit in these northern towns was heavily motivated by the immigration debate (as much as you would prefer it to have been some socialist intellectual reasoning over decentralisation of power and sovereignty)… and one that should never really have been issue anyway had Blair done a better job, or had there been any response to years of misinformation spread in right wing media channels that immigrants were the cause of housing problems, low wages, the drain on public services… none which have improved since many have ‘fucked off home’… because we had control over those things, the Governments just chose not to do it.
It was deliberate, you know it, I know it, but a fuck load of folks who probably dont give a fuck believed it nonetheless… THAT is what i have a fucking big issue with and always will.
Maybe, but you can not deny brexit appeals to that nature - its fundamental principles may be in sovereignty, but for many ‘not racists’ they welcomed our control over who we let in and what we give them (even though we had that control anyway)… Its not that Brexiteers are all bigots and racists, its that large swathes of the campaign were driven by it and there was no real outcry from brexiteers about it… you just dont like the fact that its part of the brexit appeal
You can go on and on about democracy as much as you like, but for true democracy you need truth, you need balance and you need people to be informed. If you have segments of the population happy to believe the lies because it resonated with their beliefs, its not democracy.
Well pap its been all of 36 days… so I think you are being a bit premature on that score. I dont want shit to happen, I dont see this as some sort of opportunity to say I told you so, I just want things to fucking improve, I want the foodbanks to be unnecessary, I want all the things your Brexit campaigners promised: a rise in our manufacturing industry, a rise in our skills and services, a prosperity that was allegedly denied people because of the EU, and if it needs Government support to make it happen so be it… as long as we dont end pumping tax payer cash at unprofitable shite as we did for years in the 70s.
The jury is out on all that, So I would wait a while before acting all smug and patronising.
Come on. The sad little procession of nutters that were slowly unveiled on the site, these lone nutters apparently representative of 17.4m people that voted out.
A few things off the top of my head being chucked over the wall, with a “that’s Brexit that is”.
- The certain penury we’d receive after never getting a good trade deal
- The short spike in recorded hate crime following the poll
- The murder of Jo Cox
- The imminent closure of Nissan, Sunderland
- Transatlantic flights of chlorinated chicken
- The destruction of our descendants’ future
- A minority of publicised fans of blue passports
You did all get one half right.
- Boris Johnson will be Prime Minister
I say half right, because you all thought he was going to succeed Cameron.
In reality, it took four years of Remainer whining and Parliamentary paralysis to make him the only viable option on the ballot for the majority that voted Leave.
I know you don’t like to take any responsibility for that, but I think those condemn rather than convince don’t change minds. This death by a million little Remainer wanker cuts, this consistent giving the dog a bad name put folk in a position to do the unthinkable and vote Tory.
No, I don’t claim to know their minds, but I can imagine people being very pissed off if they got a fraction of the dog’s abuse aimed at our reasonable Leavers.
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