The MPs voted to ensure that OUR Parliament didn’t go down the no deal route, the EU, however, can do what they want.
Like I said if our MPs mess around the EU is going to say enough is enough…
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From every fucking bad loser Remainer still trying to move the goal posts after they discovered they were 1.3m down at full time.
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And they will. Think that could be what career savers are looking for. Someone else to blame.
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With some very notable exceptions, I’m disgusted with the lot of them, @Polski_Filip, Lords, Ladies. MPs and media outlets. This unholy alliance which has a central aim, diluting the aims of the electorate, has no place deciding things.
If Parliament is supposed to be representative, it is not fit for purpose. The amazing thing is that it’s the two major parties that have done most to break the wheel of the two party arrangement that has been around for a century.
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Yep.
I have been consistent in my contempt for them and more controversially extolling the benefits of a benevolent dictatorship with a long term vision for their people vs the anything to keep my snout in the trough system
To be honest i don’t understand where you are going with this. The whole Brexit process has opened a can of worms regarding racism, what before was simmering below the surface is now coming out into the open, people feel emboldened. It is a matter of record that after the referendum result, Polish people and other,mainly Northern European people, who had been living and working here for years started to receive racist abuse, ‘fuck off back home’ etc etc. Of course not all Leave voters are racist, that is just silly and lazy. But all racists were leave voters, you can take that to the bank. And there were plenty of them.
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Agreed, however, I believe what Pap was trying to say (apart from maybe spark another reaction) was in effect that ‘we are better off off out of an EU that is shifting to the right’
I don’t believe anyone who voted remain did so out of some deep seated desire to be part of a political shift to the right… 
and I would suggest that to some extent, (if we had the level of influence that we would have as fully paid up memebers) our membership would ideally have contributed to fairer and more balanced approaches to non EU immigration controls… having said that the AFD in Germany become more popular after 900,000 Dyruan refugees arrived… I wonder what might have happened here politically had we been as accommodating?
But back on to the point. The current pan European shift to the right (of which we are also part of as you point out and which we ignore at our peril) is typical of what happens in a post economic crisis and subsequent period of austerity. This seems sadly the ‘human’ way. ‘We have been having a shit time and it must be my neighbours fault as they were not born here’
People vote for more extreme and authoritarian regimes in such situations, folks that promise to do radical things, convincing just enough to get elected that only through such radical thinking challenging the ‘established’ thinking and politics, will we resolve the issues…
The lurch to the right in the UK and EU has fuck all to do with the EU and all to do with a typical period of austerity that have effected many ordinary people. In some respects, Brexit has been a good distraction, it’s allowed many to vent their anger at austerity. In others as you point out, it’s meant that some with more right wing views have been able to express them.
The current climate globally (10-12 years post the global recession) has seen politics become more polarised… the right have become more extreme and embolden and the so have the left…both arguing that the ‘liberal’ experiment has failed… yet we were fucked by bankers using liberal laws who would still argued these were too draconian… and will welcome the further reduction in controls that will come with right wing governments…
So, Before we pat ourselves on the back for having avoided be taken along for the right wing ride within the EU, we need to remember that our domestic political fall out has yet to be revealed, and only will after Brexit. Sadly, I suspect we will only be seeing a more right wing Tory Government, and a more polarised and also fragmented left.
It won’t be too long before we are looking for more moderate voices to be heard.
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Strange times.
Finding Dail Mail articles debating the same political points raised on Sotonians
How many lies has May told the electorate since she became leader of the conservative party
What the fuck is happening with UK politics?
I know I am best out of it in the Philippines and our leader is I think doing a good job.
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I’m saying that the EU is perceived as non-racist, but those from outside the EU have a huge amount of trouble getting access to work in the British labour market than someone from inside the EU. Even if such access is gained, things like security and being able to bring family members over is a lot harder for the non-EU migrant.
To say that the EU is mostly caucasian is not a controversial statement, That being the case, isn’t the EU discriminating against those browner, non-EU countries? Unlimited inward migration versus the very limited legal immigration from outside the EU.
There are of course, much more direct examples, such as the deal the EU has with Erdogan.
But the general point is that if the EU is the one big country its most fevered acolytes believe it to be, the EU’s immigration policy isn’t inclusive. It’s downright exclusionary. Expressed with less civility, you might even say it’s “fuck off if you don’t live in the EU”.
I’m saying that the UK is perceived as non-racist, but those from outside the EU have a huge amount of trouble getting access to work in the British labour market than someone from inside the EU. Even if such access is gained, things like security and being able to bring family members over is a lot harder for the non-EU migrant. In fact we don’t even want those from within the EU having access to the British labour market which is why so many voted for Brexit…
But the general point is that if the UK is the one big great country its most fevered unionists believe it to be, the UK’s immigration policy isn’t inclusive. It’s downright exclusionary. Unless you are a white Aussie looking to spend a couple of years here, expressed with less civility, you might even say it’s “fuck off ”.
Or an Indian health care professional!! Whom the UK can no longer employ due to EU regulations putting their citizens first
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BAME voting went largely the same as everything else. The older the voter, the more likely they were to vote Leave, with a greater incidence of Leave voting from people that were not born in the UK.
That should not be a surprise. These will be the people having tremendous difficulty getting family members over, which might include your hypothetical Indian health professional, while the girl who serves @Map-Of-Tasmania his Starbucks can bring the whole clan.
Freedom of movement as long as you’re an EU citizen, tight restrictions if not.
Starbucks? - that is an insult, thinking i would ever frequent such a shitehole
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It’s more a comment on the way our partially externally mandated immigration policy works.
It’s the perfect storm for non-EU migrants.
Getting in isn’t easy. Staying in isn’t easy when you’re the only people the Home Office can touch.
It (was) easy for non EU to get in.
I had a non EU employee who wanted to earn an EU passport.
They studied each Nation’s rules went off completed an MBA in 1 year, filled all the forms, took all the tests, got the Visa.
Stayed 5 years got the passport, moved to Spain.
It took research, they weren’t a brain surgeon, just very clever & talented determined.
Damascus Saint has also worked on a solution to keep his family safe, they may move back to Syria, buthehasalso followed process and can legally migrate to EU.
The SA MD of our software company is moving next month from Dubai to?
Yep, UK.
Obviously Nations need intelligent and skilled immigrants. UK is now messing that balance up but it is easy to follow the process
Ooooh!
Who’s a Pret-a boy then? 
A rambling read, a journey along the coasts of Normandy & Southern England. Engaging if not remarkable, until the author crosses the channel and looks at the British.
And this
“Portsmouth” he says, “is the perfect place to observe Britain en pleine dégringolade – falling apart. As my detective does: alcohol, drugs, family breakdown. It’s all there in Portsmouth, inward-looking, claustrophobic, surrounded by fortresses.”
He recalls “a survey in primary schools: what frightens you most? First was drunk people. Second, the French. Because they talk funny.”
It is, he says, “a deepening of the dyke, higher than ever. Since I wrote those books, Britain has become one big Portsmouth.”
So, actually it was a rewarding long read.
A long read which makes no mention of the French riots that have been happening for the last half a year.
Good job we’ve got @Goatboy for context, because it’s fucking clear it ain’t coming from the Guardian
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