:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

They shouldn’t be neutral though should they?

Well technically they aren’t as they are members of the EU. But it means they don’t need to feel under any pressure to join NATO or other purely military alliances.

Defence on the cheap.

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1073355214340743168

It would appear that the Maybot’s negotiating algorithm is malfunctioning.
https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/1073354884156665857

I spend quite a bit of time debating Brexit elsewhere. One thing that perhaps shouldn’t surprise me is that for many of the ardent acolytes of Remain, the politicians over the channel have done nowt wrong.

That is a massive tactical mistake, imo. Unlike most of our politics, Brexit is actually something that a lot of the public, even those that don’t normally get involved in it, is keeping an eye on.

Perhaps I’m guilty of projection, but from where I am sitting, the EU has negotiated with an irrational and dictatorial style. It’s irrational because there are people still around that can remember life outside the Union, and know that you don’t have to be a member of a political union to be able to trade.

Worse for Remain, many of our citizens have travelled beyond the Union, see things working just as well or better in places that aren’t politically unified to the EU. They’re going to wonder what all the fuss is about.

Anyone with a knowledge of history and/or border arrangements knows that bi-lateral border agreements already exist in other parts of the world without political union, as did the island of Ireland before the EU was a twinkle in a technocrat’s eye. We know the border in Ireland is not impossible to solve. We’ve solved it before, and before a civil rights movement escalated into the Troubles, it was solved fairly well.

If we know these things are not impossible, and are actually negotiable and doable, then the EU just looks like a bully trying to dictate terms, and no nation likes being bullied. I refer readers to my previous claim of perhaps being guilty of projection, but it’s my assessment that the EU’s mask slipped during negotiations. Its face will never look the same again to most British people.

Part of me thinks we should just say fuck you and move on

Fuck you Leo - you sort the border out, we are leaving it open.

And have you repaid / remember that bail out loan we gave you, you ungrateful cunts

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Leo Varadkar is a particularly slimy little bastard, basically a ventriloquist doll with Barnier’s mitt up his bunghole.

This impossible border situation was something that British and Irish civil servants were quietly sorting out until Leo got in.

After that, what was being planned was now apparently impossible.

https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1073284030236221440

And while many voters have changed their minds about Brexit, a great deal are watching this mess and hardening their positions.
Once again, in the bluster about a 2nd vote, I’ve not seen any contemplation of what msm would call the unthinkable - a second vote to Leave.
Anyone in a business negotiation looks for a weakness to get to a win win situation May has her hands so tied Juncker at Al can just keep jerking her chain.
They really might give her nothing. Then where do Parliament go?

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They have given her nothing. Her deal is doomed. Extension of art.50 and a general election looming.

https://twitter.com/vizcomic/status/1073504282169749504

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https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/1073513962178793472

Only naive students use the trade arguments, many nations trade on WTO or bespoke deals with each other, they survive, we need to start making things again and making things the World wants.
Globalisation hasn’t helped the established nations workers but its helped the multinationals, tax dodgers and poorer EU nations with open borders.
Workers rights? Who cleans your car? Cleans your house? Looks after your kids? Prostitutes?
They aren’t protected are they?

If Labour doesn’t state they’ll honour the vote they’ll have no chance of power, not a jot, the feeling is too strong up here and UKIP would drive a wedge between North and South Labour and who would benefit from that?

The tories.

I have always said this, the northern labour vote taken for granted, hey ho one day I’ll be wrong.

Prostitutes clean your car, your house and look after your kids? Fucking hell it really is grim up north.
If I was you I’d opt for the protection too.

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He could be silenced in a sentence.

“We’re going to give a referendum to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland on their futures in the United Kingdom.”

You get a lot more for your money up here.

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