:brexit: Brexit - Deal or no deal

So I’m currently engaging with 3PLs in Germany to take over our stock distribution as it will be quicker and easier to break bulk in Germany and get the remaining stock delivered into the UK, than get it delivered out of the UK.

More jobs going abroad because of Brexit…

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But Boris got Brexit done. Surely that’s all that matters. Sovereignty and all that …mutter, mutter, mutter…

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It isn’t done yet, and frankly, it’s the least of our constitutional problems.

Much bigger on the horizon is that there is nothing for you to vote for, no-one that can do anything positive with that sovereignty, and that is the way the system is designed.

Theoretically, power is returned to the British voter, but if the British voter can only vote on two dead horses in a two horse race, it’s not much of a democracy.

Still, it could be worse. The Germans have had no real change in government for the last fifteen years.

They’re in a better state as a country than we are though…

Except the far right are now part of mainstream politics. The AfD is the largest opposition party and have managed that In just 7 years.

But all is well…

The far right are running this country, not really seeing the difference there?

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They really aren’t

We are right of centre, more right than we are used too because labour vacated the centre ground under Corbyn

Now Starmer is pulling Labour back to the centre, the Tories will follow To defend that ground and we will be back in the Blair / Cameron centrist world

AfD have Neo Nazi links - that’s far right

I disagree. The Germans are still in a far better state than we are, economically, socially and politically.

So you’re saying that a state only extant for 30 years, full of unresolved problems from the East, that has had the same two parties in power for fifteen years, that has the far right in its Parliament on one side and committed Europhiles on the other, is better state than the UK?

Economically, it’s a powerhouse, but the EU means that many of those jobs have been shipped East.

In terms of integration, they’re a long way from where we are. Still massive rucks between white Germans and Turkish (who don’t actually get to become German in the same way our immigrants can become British).

Culturally, what has this Germany produced?

Dunkel Bier.
Schweinhaxe
Christmas Markets.

That’s more than enough.

Interesting that the Turkish “ gastarbeiters” weren’t supposed to stay - as agreed by the Turkish and German governments. I remember this from spending summers in Germany as a nipper. They were supposed to stay 2 years I think, earn more than they ever would in Turkey and then go home to allow new ones to enter the country. I think the issue became any kids born there became German citizens but the folk didn’t.

Anybody know what colour the Kent passports are going to be?

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And that all got invented in the last 30 years, did it?

We’re talking about this German state.

We had a lad over from Germany who stayed for a few weeks helping out with tech support.

As people obviously now know, I’m quite a cheeky fucker, and if I want to know something, I’ll just ask.

“Maite. I hear that all you German lads fight with the Turkish lads. Is that true?”

Yes.

“How comes?”

Well, the Turks come to Germany and want our women, but they won’t let us have THEIR women.

Quite touching really. Rucking for equality :wink:

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Plastination by that Gunter von Havens fella - very disturbing and very dodgy how he got the cadavers from China by all accounts.

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Actually ignore me @pap - just looked it up & was first developed in ‘77

Thought it was newer tbf.

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Take a look at this.

There’s very little after 1990.

Arguably, the biggest cultural achievement is YouTube, but that’s only a third German in invention.

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After Einstein and Hahn you could forgive them for resting on their laurels for a bit. I learned about Johannes Gutenberg from Civilisation, and after the printing press I think they took a similar hiatus from inventing stuff (I think the Black Forest Gateaux might be somewhere in-between the printing press and the theory of relativity but I’ll admit a cake is hardly world changing) so they have form for going a good stretch before getting back to the drawing board.

There’s a fantastic book called the history of the Germans through objects (or something like that), so I’m not going to disagree with you on that front.

It’s understandable that this hasn’t been a priority. Despite absorbing East Germany, they never relinquished the position of Europe’s economic powerhouse.

And being ever curious I did a bit of searching and it appears the French aren’t responsible for inventing that torture device, the accordion…