Is it not just that they are sad to be leaving an institution they all believe in? The oddest thing is that even after winning, and ready to leave, there is still a very unpleasant sneering taking place from the Brexiteers. It just shows a lack of class, but then, who’s actually surprised?
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I’m sure they’re gutted. £85k per year with only twelve percent income tax to do a meaningless job with a lot of foreign travel.
Ironically, the only politician who ever achieved anything as an MEP was Nigel Farage.
What did he achieve as a direct result of being an MEP?
I may have missed it.
Getting a platform to kick start Britain’s exit from the EU.
Might even be the catalyst that brings the whole house of cards down.
No matter what you think of Farage, he will go down as the most influential politician never to be an MP or a Lord.
He derived his political status from the very institution he was trying to get the UK out of.
What makes it even funnier of course, is that the European Parliament was purpose built to have no real power. In doing so, they empowered a character like Farage with the platform he needed to get his message across.
Oh, I have no doubt that they don’t give a shit - it’s the type of people they are. If they gave a shit/had a conscience they wouldn’t be doing what they do.
Farage is no more than an employee. The loud mouth face that’s seen. He himself has never done anything special. Can you show one stunningly intellectual speach/debate.
He’s basically me, going around shouting that we’ll beat Liverpool and if i had the right boss, maybe getting on the bbc weekly.
If we do, would you believe my claim that i was instrumental in the victory?
It is not how history will remember him, unless you get your Byzantine thoughts into some sort of order and onto the public record.
Farage is a man of his times, as were his political opponents. It is a damn shame that more people did not see the 1975 debates, making the crop o’ cunts that debated these issues in 2016 look like the political pygmies they are.
All the debates I’ve seen from the seventies feature political heavyweights sensibly and articulately discussing the issues. The big theme of sovereignty was discussed much better then than it was now. It wasn’t about mass immigration from the EEC because there was none.
It focused on whether it was worth giving away the power of the voter to be part of an international club. Back in 1975, the voters said yes to joining a common market made up of nine members.
In 2016, the United Kingdom expressed a wish to leave a political and economic union (less so for us than for Eurozone countries) of 28 countries. The British public had no say in any of these changes before then.
As articulate as they might have been 44 years ago, Heath, Thorpe and Jenkins were all proven wrong by the passage of time. Benn, Castle and Shore were proven right. In 2016, their arguments were never more potent - it is a shame more people did not see them.
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So he’s a loud mouth racist* idiot, funded, promoted and inserted by the exceptional business interests that pay his way.
All you’ve given me there, going on about the 70s, is a reminder that even in today’s vapid attempts at thoughtful debate, he offers nothing.
The man’s an employee of some nasty people.
At best a subordinate of der twitterFührer, but let’s be honest, even trump doesn’t rate him that high(or even pfeffel).
Why do you?
*\Stuart Hall understanding of the word.
I think I made that perfectly clear. He spearheaded major constitutional change without ever troubling Westminster.
He done no such thing. He probably struggles to spearhead his own march to the toilet.
He’s a simple racist, put up as a face(for other simple racists) by very influential people.
If you think there’s more about him, just give me one single debate that he said something insightful, against a half thoughtful opponent(not allowed on the bbc, so discount at least 50% of his coverage).
I don’t want to sound like i’m taking the piss, but i feel like i’m talking to fox (no)news.
Farage is less politically important than Lucas. He’s just a game show to keep a certain feeling going for a certain demographic. Like all game shows, easily replaced, with no drop in market share.
Do you honestly think Farage is a racist?
And let’s make the terminology clear.
My general definition of a racist is someone that discriminates against someone because of their ethnicity.
Do you believe he’s that?
Absolutely.
I’ll ignore the rest, as you’re “general definition” sounds very “floating signifier” and i have already supplied an explanation, in the understanding that when you had no argument, this would be the direction you took.
Stuart Hall definition remember.
A clue.
Race is a discursive construct = race works like a language
Race is a signifier which can be linked to other signifiers in a representation
Its meaning is relational and it is constantly subject to redefinition in different cultures, different moments
There is always a certain sliding of meaning, always something left unsaid about race
Hence: Race is a floating signifier
Example: Gender is a language – think of the semiotic square for gender
Ok, i won’t ignore it all. What does this word mean?
Read Hall and i hope you rethink how you look at certain things and particularly the subtleties of how the language is shaped and used(might even help to explain that the “people that matter” are no such thing, just the presented face.
No it isn’t.
It was specifically there to set the terms of the question. You say yes or no on those terms.
You can say no but then make your point, but it seems rather unreasonable to ignore a reasonable definition of terms and then say yes.
Can I take your “yes” but “I don’t agree with your terms” as a “no” on my terms?
Your like those exceptionalists you back.
You don’t answer questions, but happily set terms for others, but even those one sided terms change on a whim and ignore all others.
I answered your question before you asked it. Have you still not realised?
Apart from that, you say nothing again, but there’s lots of words.
You are farage(found a single insightful thought that would justify his media prominence yet?).
So here is a summary of what the EU is going to be asking for in return for a trade deal. It is probably worth bearing in mind that the EU has recently completed a trade deal in which none of these demands were made.
- Fisheries. Red line laid down by Barnier. No fish. No deal.
- Gibraltar. Spain are on the move again. Except some jurisdictional claims on this.
- Dynamic alignment - being demanded by Macron, as reported by the Telegraph. This will involve the UK committing to permanently adjusting its own laws to keep pace with those of the European Union. In other words, we have to become a rule-taker to get a trade deal.
Looking like no deal on the trade deal, init.
And if those are red lines, then yes, it should be no deal.
As I’ve said before, the EU can be an inflexible beast. The only one we can really do while honouring Brexit is something on Gibraltar.
There might be leeway on fishing. Not much.
Macron’s demands are a complete non-starter.
Lots of lost irony in the rhetoric from Brexit HQ… prepared to walk away if EU make demands and we will focus on a deal with the US who will make no demands and give us exactly what we want… could not make it up really
But as mentioned numerous times, the big concern is that Boris is only too happy to listen to US Demands as they play into his and his cronies hands - demands for LESS regulation on business. Superficially that all sounds a nice simple capitalist mantra, but EU environmental, manufacturing, processing standards are much higher than the Us … for a reason.
It’s all about cheap shit as opposed to quality standards and anyone who believes we can simply keep our own does not know how trade deals work… they are simply about ensuring imports are competitive against locally manufactured goods… import cheaper shit because of more lax production regulations and our farmers, producers and manufacturers will need to do the same…
As for the NHS not being for sale? Harsh as it is, anyone who believes this is frankly stupid. They won’t ‘sell’ anything g, but they will
Enable US insurers to provide ‘Upgraded’ queue jumping and access to more expensive drugs for those that can afford it… ‘a BUPA plus’ type thing. Big companies will offer this as a perk and we will have an even more divided two tier service. By failing to match NHS funding with real need, it will be eroded to to bare essentials… and the Tories will proclaim how they provided so much more choice with new providers providing higher standards of care (for those able to afford £300-£1000 a month) …
It’s all a Massive distraction technique… woo the public with jingoistic shit about sovereignty and claiming our country back, when it’s really all about ensuring the rich fuckers can get richer on less ‘EU legislation’ … Cummings is cumming in his pants
Welcome to the new ‘utopian’ Britain
Stop creating strawmen.
They get burnt pretty quickly.
Get ready for this jeteur de flame.
No one on this forum, Brexiter or Remainer, ever , has claimed “utopia” a possible result of Brexit *
* Apart from you