So Boris has managed to get the ERG and DUP onside
The Tory rebels are making positive noises as are the Kinnonck labour faction
Push it through Parliament this week and it’s a lot more pressure on the EU as for the first time we potentially have a commons majority
What’s taking them so long?
Just deliver what you all told everyone was so easy to deliver.
‘There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will stay in this zone. The suggestion that Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine would stay part of this free trade area – and Britain would be on the outside with just Belarus – is as credible as Jean-Claude Juncker joining UKIP. Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone’s interests.’
So the process and pace of change is in our hands. There is no arbitrary deadline which we must meet to secure our future – and indeed no arbitrary existing “model” which we have to accept in order to prosper.
‘It has been argued that the moment Britain votes to leave a process known as “Article 50” is triggered whereby the clock starts ticking and every aspect of any new arrangement with the EU must be concluded within 2 years of that vote being recorded – or else…
‘But there is no requirement for that to occur – quite the opposite. Logically, in the days after a Vote to Leave the Prime Minister would discuss the way ahead with the Cabinet and consult Parliament before taking any significant step.
‘Preliminary, informal, conversations would take place with the EU to explore how best to proceed.
‘It would not be in any nation’s interest artificially to accelerate the process and no responsible government would hit the start button on a two-year legal process without preparing appropriately.
‘Nor would it be in anyone’s interest to hurry parliamentary processes. We can set the pace.
What’s taken them so long?
You forgot that the remain PM threw away a perfectly good majority and had to listen to the DUPs demands
the EU have not made this easy, deliberately - to discourage “Les autres”
They point blank refused to discuss anything to do with Brexit before A50 had been issued. They set the clock.
They then demanded that two of the most toxic elements, money and NI be dealt with first before they would talk about anything else particularly trade- because these were so acrimonious, it ran down the clock - we still haven’t got it away.
They EU are more interested in protecting an ideology than moving forward with solutions that will help everyone
We of course haven’t helped with our MPs trying everything to frustrate the process
With that backdrop I am not sure anyone would have succeeded because there has been very little good faith displayed in these negotiations
Most of what you have written isn’t really true(read more than right wing British press) and has nothing to do with the point.
All of the tory leavers said the same as Gove(above comments), so are they all liars or all as thick as pfeffel?
How can anyone blame the EU when our inbred representatives didn’t even take a pencil to the meetings. Don’t you think that was a clear message of intent?
I invite sir again.
Rather than unsubstantively dismissing folk as being controlled organs of the right wing press, could you put some meat onto any of your points please?
Is your memory so short. I’ve had this conversation with you before and given examples. I even challenged you to find a single one that hadn’t said the lie about it being a piece of cake.
So i’ll ask again, knowingly lied or so thick they didn’t understand the complexity?
Article 50
I take it the Guardian isn’t too right wing
As for the order of negotiations- a quick google of Phase 1 will demonstrate that citizens right, the divorce bill and the NI border had to be sorted befor moving on
This didn’t happen until dec 2017 ie it took up 9 of the 24 month
These aren’t lies, it is what happened.
Plan is “not remotely acceptable”, according to the EU Parliament.
Unless minds are changed, it’s no deal. Whether that happens on the 31st or not really depends on the government.
The headlines a bit misleading. It says talks, but the EU said negotiations. There are lots of articles where EU officials say talks were possible, but not full negotiations. Wording is important.
The order was a direct response to the threats and bad mouthing from the idiots in this country that were about to (not)negotiate. Not the way to start things is it?
So no, what you say is not what happened, just how the British msm presented it.
Your a business man, so if you were going into the biggest negotiations of your career and the other side turned up with literally nothing, how would you view them?
Firstly I wouldn’t go into a negotiation if I didn’t believe in my position - May
Secondly, I wouldn’t go into a negotiation if I thought the other side were going to be dictatorial
Thirdly, I wouldn’t would even go if I though my own company were going to undermine me
Finally I would not be afraid to walk away
It is for my liking 
Thanks, that’s what i kind of expected.
All of the deliberate undermining was instigated by tories.
May- just as well she’s the living dead after the amount of times her own colleagues stabbed her.
Dictorial-we might not pay for projects we agreed too so give us what we want even though we know that’s impossible(more blackmail i know, but can’t be bothered wasting time thinking of a more appropriate one).
Undermine- back to May again?
Walk away- the EU may, but they have planned properly for this scenario. The only people who have here are the financial rapists and the treasonous sell it all to America twats.
Here’s the simple facts.
A referendum with two choices was a close run thing, but there was a small majority and people have been deliberately whipped into a frenzy over it, so let’s give them what was promised. Goves words above, or Pfeffel’s, Rees Mogg, farage and all the others that repeated it time and time again, so let’s do it.
It won’t be hard, that we were promised again and again. All you have to do is understand the pillars of the EU. They can’t all be to thick to understand this surely 
This is such a guilty pleasure, but I’m recovering from peals of laughter and feel I would be remiss if I did not share this here.
Introducing Jeff Taylor. He has an amusingly awkward style, implying no natural presentation skills whatsoever. He is occasionally quite insightful on matters of constitutionality and due process.
He also has a fantastically alluring moustache.
He puts on a suit every day, does a pro-Brexit video, and chucks it up on YouTube. Jeff tries to keep to the facts, but occasionally, he just can’t help himself and goes full Daily Mail.
He does this to great effect in his “on a lighter note” section, the very section that me in peals of laughter.
I think you are being disingenuous if you do not attribute some blame to the EU
Whilst it is not their decision for us to leave, they have two key objectives:- to stop others following suit and to ensure they hamstring us sufficiently that we don’t make a success of Brexit
Some yes, but the bulk no.
Your second paragraph just shows how distorted the view can be in this country. It’s a bit simplistic, but that’s what’s our press are for i suppose. It’s also a tad paranoid. No wonder they fucked everything up if that’s the view they took into negotiations(on the plus side, at least that’s one thing they took😂).
The EU might not be as bothered as our press make out.
Just Because my view doesn’t match your outlook, it doesn’t make it simplistic or paranoid or me gullible. That is the kind of condescending shite that has been a huge part of this debate.
I deliberately added the bit after the comma in the hope it would be clear that i wasn’t saying anything about any individual. I’ll attempt to be clearer in future.
It’s how the whole thing has been led from the start, simplistic slogans and lies. It’s been very deliberate from the beginning and it’s a dangerous game to play(someone might get shot).
I don’t mind leaving, but not in any way that allows this bunch of piss poor halfwits to sell us off to the yanks.
Edit: meant to be a reply to @CB-Saint