I’m not going into the whole BLM thing here, but this one picture pretty much guarantees that he will lose in Labour’s heartlands, and lose badly.
Plus as you say, his Brexit record has already done that anyway.
Interesting
It might be, if Keir wasn’t a liar himself.
Look at his pledges when campaigning to win the Labour leadership. After getting elected he’s either dropped them or done the complete opposite.
Mr Starmer’s repute as an honest man is ill-deserved and fragile.
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If only there was a labour party thread…
Are you trying to cause trouble?
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Am I wrong?
Am I?
I’d suggest Starmer has a long way to go before he reaches Johnson’s levels of mendacity.
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That’s probably true but it’s also probably moot.
People have known who Johnson is for thirty years. That he lies is factored in and he’s not tried to present himself as a model of propriety.
Starmer is. The more he trades on that, the harder he’ll fall.
To think that can be said about an elected Prime Minister is, frankly, incredible and appalling.
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Well, he had a lot of help.
If it hadn’t been for Remainers paralysing the political process inside and outside of Parliament, we’d have exited on 31st March 2019.
We wouldn’t have had the Brexit Party, we wouldn’t have had Boris as PM and the 2019 General Election would have been fought on a domestic agenda, not a de facto second referendum with both of the other big parties making the Tories look like the only democrats on the ballot.
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And if the Remainers had had the sense to continue the paralysis until they could force a confirmatory referendum rather than allowing. GE, we might, sensibly, have ditched Brexit.
Johnson would have been forced to resign and we could have got back to the happy state of normal politics, but of course with the trafitional bickering about wanting Brexit.
But that’s all “what ifs”, just as your scenario. As it is we have a PM who’s a serial liar and not fit for purpose, a Leader of the Opposition who’s not wanted by half of his own party and an archaic electoral system being kept in place by the vested interests of the two biggest parties to peserve the failed seesaw status quo.
Only when Labour realize they will never again form a majority government will we get change. The boundary changes will ensure even a big lead in the opinion polls won’t work for Labour. Otherwise look forward to perpetual 80 seat majorities for the Stories on the basis of 40% of the vote.
A “confirmatory referendum” was a deeply anti-democratic idea, and frankly, I think the public were so exasperated at this point that I believe the vote would have been won with an even bigger margin - so I disagree with your analysis.
I’d back my claim up by simply pointing to election results. Every party that backed the public’s decision did relatively well. Every party that didn’t got stomped in the polls.
When Labour promised to uphold the referendum in 2017, the party almost caused an upset. It probably would have if the administrative elements of the party had been arsed to fund it (Iain McNicol famously defunded campaigning for marginals).
I take on board your comments about having a shit system, but not without commenting about their applicability to the EU referendum vote. It was officially FPTP, but because of the number of choices on the ballot, it was effectively PR.
Absolutely this. Had the country been forced to vote again it would have been an affront to democracy.
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I’ll simply agree to disagree. The Brexit that was finally negotiated was so far from the lies and promises presented during the referendum campaign, the population were entitied to asses the final product.
Not that it would have made any difference: we would still have been given lies and meaningless jingoistic three word slogans.
Probablbly not in my lifetime, but we will rejoin the EU or at least resume a close trading partnership. The chaos now is only the start of the disaster.
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There is a big difference between Brexit in the abstract and Brexit as implemented by the Tories, and it is a great shame that Brexit implemented by the Tories was the only viable Brexit option there was in 2019.
While I accept that many undecided voters made up their minds that year, this has been a deeply held conviction for large sections of the left. Indeed, getting out was Labour Party policy until 1987, when it was wooed at party conference into thinking that the European social contract would save them from Thatcher.
I think it would have gone under.
Can you imagine if the deranged Jo Swinson had actually achieved her fever dream of a LD majority on a percentage of 37% of the electorate?
She’d have revoked with less of the vote than secured Leave.
While I celebrated Theresa May losing her majority in 2017, Parliament almost destroyed itself as an institution until Boris saw the wide open goal looming ahead, a tap in made so easy by defensive errors that even that twat cunt could score it.
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You say that as if it were one sided. For every pie in the sky assertion about the economic milk and honey that would flow in the sunny Brexit uplands made by Leave, there was an equally hubristic assertion made by Remain of the utter economic wasteland which would inevitably follow exiting the EU. The only difference now is that the assertions made by Remain are actually being tested for real, and I’ve yet to see the catastrophe we were promised.