So is calling someone a “snowflake” or “woke” also hate speech? Is calling someone xenophobic, racist and the wearer of ugly trousers hate speech?
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Spam is pork gammon is pork
Islamaphobia springs to mind 
Everything can be interpreted as hate speech to someone. I would hope that the averagely intelligent person knows what hate speech really is, or isn’t. Gammon is just a word, coined to describe someone who has exceptionally ruddy cheeks. And is used, in an exaggerated way of course, in political, or even personal banter by one side against the other, because they know it hits home. Of course, in an ideal grown up world political debate would be based solely on elected politicians telling the truth, having a personal sense of honour and trustworthiness, without the name calling. But that ship sailed long ago.
I didn’t think it would take long to see ‘Gammon’ being conflated with Anti-Semitism though, as in Scotty’s piece. Everything else seems to come back to this! Somebody sees Edward Leigh on his feet in the HOC, frothing at the mouth with his face getting increasingly purple, and thinks, I’ll call him a Gammon because his face looks like a side of it, and best of all it will insult Jewish people? I don’t think so. Of course, in this world of the perpetually offended, the insult “Quisling” clearly means that the person on the receiving end is a Nazi sympathiser who is fully on board with collaborating with them, and sending people to the gas chambers. Both interpretations are total bollocks.
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Sorry, who’s arguing hate speech?
Whole separate issue. Nothing to do with what is being discussed here.
Let’s have your definition then.
Uhm… I guess is calling someone a ruddy faced bigoted cunt racist? After all is that not what calling some on a Gammon is? Seems to me, that Pap is clutching at straws a bit, given that you could not call a Black person ‘ruddy faced’ since from a purely practical perspective the reddish face might not be visible - that does not mean Black or other folks of various shades of the same skin cant be bigoted cunts… so not sure what all the fuck is about really…
And whilst we are at it… If remianers can all agree that not all brexiteers are Gammons or racist cunts, will brexiteers maybe finally acknowledge that Gammons and racist racist cunts were most likely to vote Brexit?
If “ruddy faced” is a codeworrd for white, yeah. Here’s why. You’d never mention the complexion of a person of colour in an insult unless you were being racist.
It’s very simple.
- It’s a slur
- It’s only applicable to one race.
Add those two together. What do you get?
I suspect yo might have gone a little ruddy faced what with all the frothing at the mouth today?
So, maybe you suggest a collective now for Daily mail reading right ring xenophobic and usually racists cunts who get all bothered, red in the face as they get worked up and flustered over immigration and too many ‘asylum seekers’ (sic) making their way here when they should stay in France… ?
You need to recognise that there are many things only applicable to one segment of society and if that segment simply almost exclusively one race, why is that suddenly racist?
Would you call a person of colour a <their colour>-faced cunt?
Not the same thing - The ‘ruddy faced’ refers to a state of self induced anger and resentment stimulated by xenophobia and racist concerns…
…I must confess I am not sure what the equivalent to the ruddy face induced by high blood pressure and anxiety is in those of colour… but whatever the word it would be equally applicable to the description of the individual., if said state was induced by xenophobia and racist thoughts… I would suggest that is the point
I think I’d be comfortable calling James Cleverly a gammon faced cunt.
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Fucking hell, that’s brilliant, @Map-Of-Tasmania.
I can’t read thoughts. You evidently can. For a while there I thought you might just be ascribing demonic racist qualities to people that did not agree with you to dismiss them as a whole outright.
Now that I know that your knew the inner contents of people’s minds, I feel more at ease.
I imagine Alan Brazil was slim pickings 
Oh dear… your classic ‘lets deviate from the point’ - It really is that simple… it right not be the best or most appropriate word since it relies of ‘red of face’ - but FFS, its induced blood boiling thinking, not colour of skin… but whatever…
On the subject of flags, Boris has added a backdrop of Tory blue for his press conference today - set off the Union Jacks perfectly
Maybe there is too much focus on the colour of gammon. What about its juicy plump nature bursting out of the threads that hold it.
I’ve always understood “woke” to be primarily a somewhat pretentious term used by the “woke” person or group themselves, and descriptive of how they view themselves and their outlook. As opposed to “gammon”, which as far as I can work out is purely an insulting term used to describe somebody else.
For me, Gammon is a state of mind and comes in all shapes and sizes. Here’s David Lammy totally owning one today. Anyone think that this bigot isn’t a Brexit loving Johnson supporter? Hats off to Lammy, he handled her superbly.
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For fuck’s sake, let’s not have a “my truth” moment on what Gammon means.
For the record, Lammy is English by my definition. He is also something of a sensationalist twat.
You’re only saying that cos he’s black. But, of course, he’s a vocal remainer isn’t he, which is the only thing that counts for you. Every politician has to pass the pap single issue test, nothing else in politics matters. For you it really is a religion.
It’s not that. It’s that the issue was settled by the public, never accepted by much of the political class and ended up being not only a waste of four years of political energy, but was also a source of a great deal of interpersonal acrimony.
If a politician wants to lead a party on a campaign of re-joining, good luck to them. It’s really not an issue for me. It’s democratic and that party will never get elected.
It was the attempt to subvert democracy that really rankled, preached as it was by people that had been consistently wrong on pretty much every worst case prediction they’d made (fancy that!).
The result is implemented now. The unnecessary cost was this Boris Johnson government, enabled by those who still couldn’t take Leave for an answer.
We are probably stuck with this lot for another Parliament because the present opposition is both inept and indelibly associated with this anti-democratic move and the paralysed Remainer Parliament.
The Tories were given the keys by all those myopic nobbers that were too blind to see what they were doing.
I told you it would happen ahead of time.
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