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It’s easier to say gammon than to go into a long winded description and with just one word everyone knows what you are talking about. Pure economy.

Bit like the use of kraut?

They call us “island monkeys”, which is much better I s’pose. European init. :slight_smile:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Inselaffe

I have no idea what it means, although I’ve seen the phrase used.

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Gammon (n) pejorative
A term coined by latter day Remainers to describe the hordes of red-faced, balding, racist, and fat shouty men they imagine represents the Leave vote.

Used Alan Brazil as a poster child for gammon, when even talkSPORT tealise he’s a “face for radio”
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It’s good to see that even though his playing days are over, he’s still kept himself in shape. :+1::+1:

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By some remainers.I have never used the name ‘Gammon’, its a lazy stereotype and does disservice to the more intelligent, genuinely evil, Brexiteers.

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In what sense is it a racial slur?

By my recollectiom the gammon term was originally coined by the Corbynistas, to describe a subset of the population prone to the display of vociferously anti-Corbyn sentiment on platforms such as Question time. Often these same people also displayed anti-immigrant and pro brexit sentiments and so the term was then co-opted by remainer’s since it suited their purposes. But even by remainers, it was only used to represent a subset of brexiteers.

I have since coopted it as term to describe any person of baby boomer age that I think is a cunt.

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As an insult ‘Gammony cunt’ has quite a nice poetic quality to it.

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Completely agree. There is a rythmic quality to it like Jimminy cricket or GBDF and ACE. Plus it completes the meaty trifecta of fish flaps, beef curtains and now gammony cunt with the subtext being that minge is rancid.

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When I did my industrial placement, in France, one drunken night I used the phrase “les drapeaux beouf”… once i’d explained what it meant it was well used by the French students I was mixing with…

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In what sense is it a racial slur?

Well he has to be caucasian

Although gammon cooked then roasted in the oven with black pepper and honey until nearly burnt could debunk this.

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You’re still missing Pork aren’t you…

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Yes but i found a restaurant with parma ham and kilkenny last night

This meant i missed the F1 and the football

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In the sense that it exclusively refers to white people.

Turn that on its head for a bit. If the Leave side had invented a term exclusively to refer to Remainers of colour and called them stupid, it’d be fucking racist.

Why do you think it isn’t?

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To be a racial slur, it would need to be a suggestion that all white people have the characteristics associated with the term, or that they think and behave as they do because they’re white. Quite clearly, neither of these is the case. The term “gammon” is about people’s attitudes and views, and the way that they are expressed. Yes, it refers to white people, but it’s not about their skin colour per se. And how exactly is something a racial slur when it’s used by white people to refer to other white people? Is the term “coconut” a racial slur when used by black people to denigrate other black people?

It’s easy to see how a description of someone looking like a piece of gammon - face reddy-pink with anger - would broaden into a term to describe anyone who displays that tendency. I’d guess this is what happened in this instance.

Also, check the post by @Donkey_Schlong above regarding the origin of the term. I think he has it right - it initially had nothing to do with one’s views on the EU.

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Coconut/choc-ice is a racial slur. There have been numerous cases when it is described as such.

If it looks like duck and quacks like a duck…

If it’s a slur, and it’s only aimed at one race, it’s a racist slur. Just like your coconut example, it really doesn’t need to be universal.

There just needs to be discrimination. Seems plenty enough of that.

The term “gammon” doesn’t refer to someone’s whiteness. It refers to their views and behaviour. It’s not aimed at a race, it’s aimed at individuals. And, once again, it’s not aimed at those individuals because of the colour of their skin, but because of the views they hold and the manner in which they express them.

Where are the numerous cases where “coconut” or “choc-ice” have been described as racial slurs, and who described them as such?

Discrimination? In what way are those who’ve been called “gammons” discriminated against?

Is the term intended as a compliment, then? :thinking: